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    I can’t and wouldn’t teach your kid to be gay. I can’t get him to write his fucking name at the top of the page.

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      That’s generally not what they’re really concerned about. “I don’t want teachers teaching my children to be gay” is just code for, “I don’t want teachers teaching my children that it’s ok to be gay.”

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      I hate that more people don’t understand this. It leads to a bunch of discussion and anxiety about nothing at all.

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      Rough day, huh?

      Parents can be overprotective, (I.e. become shitty parents) and you can’t really do anything about that, except hoping that the universe educate them.

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    Electronic voting is a terrible idea. Lil’ bits of paper with representatives watching the vote counters is a pretty solid system. There’s no problem there that needs to be fixed.

    I say this as a Canadian who has volunteered as an observer in federal elections. I know Americans have their thing going on, but seriously. Paper ballots all the way.

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      As a software development expert, I take issue with

      “our entire field is bad at what we do, and if you rely on us, everyone will die.”

      That’s way off base.

      She under-stated the hell out of that.

      Our average practitioner is bad at both their own job, and at the jobs of those whose lives their shoddy work complicates.

      Anyone trusting us with their lives or livelihood should be very very alarmed.

      We’re also now producing artificial intelligence tools that allow us to do equally shoddy work, but now in dramatically greater quantity.

      Edit: Let’s say this is 60/40 sarcasm and sincere, and I’m not sure which is the 60%…

      I work with some of the best, and I’ve worked with plenty of the worst. I’ve also been both, on different days.

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      I have never volunteered to count or observe elections. However I am a professional programmer, and I absolutely agree, electronic voting opens up tons of new attacks, whereas paper voting “security” is basically a solved problem at this point

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      Brazilian elections continue to be fine for decades, this fear mongering is precisely what the right does whenever they lose.

      If code was impossible to make safe banks would still be doing manual labour and ATMs would’ve been phased out.

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        If code was impossible to make safe banks would still be doing manual labour and ATMs would’ve been phased out.

        Financial transactions are logged and the logs maintained for a certain number of years. You can definitely use a similar system for voting when the stakes are low - local elections, for example. But an electronic voting system cannot be both secret and verifiable. In practice you make finding out how someone voted as hard as possible, and hope that a future government will not put in the effort to crack your system. All of which is completely unnecessary when paper ballots exist, and can be both secret and verifiable.

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          Local elections are not low stakes. Most of the services you receive are from the municipality you live in.

          Just because they’re less polarizing doesn’t mean the stakes are lower.

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    The more users you have, the more expensive it is to run.

    Like, compute, storage, bandwidth, none of that is free. If you’re providing a free service, like Wikipedia, and you have many millions of users, like Wikipedia, your expenses will be enormous. You can either accept donations, like Wikipedia, require payment, or sell your users.

    If there’s something you like that’s free online, support them. If they don’t accept donations, well, I hate to tell you, you’re the product.

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      Also when “you’re the product” that doesn’t just mean that your data is the product. A user is a person whom you can influence. “You’re the product” means this company can direct you, influence you, change your behavior. They can offer your behavioral changes, as a service to their other stakeholders.

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        Marketing can be such an immoral, insidious process.
        And it takes thousands of people pushing this shit mindlessly, because hey… “It’s just a job, right? Nine to five”.

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      If they don’t accept donations, well, I hate to tell you, you’re the product.

      A statement has never been truer than this

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    Read the error message. The whole thing.

    This comes up even with coworkers who are allegedly senior software developers.

    “It’s just a white page it’s not working”

    “Ok well what does the console say? Network requests?”

    “403?”

    “Ok now what’s in the response body?”

    “The what?”

    "Click on it. Then response "

    "It says I don’t have permission to view this page "

    “Do you have permission to view this page?”

    “…no.”

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      “What does the error message say?”

      “I already closed it. Those things are always gibberish”

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        Yep, so many clients: I have this problem and an error pops up, I need immediate help.

        Me: Ok send me the data and the error log, and a description of what it is telling you on screen.

        Client: I forget what it said, i didn’t save the log, And i needed to keep working so I deleted the file and started again.

        OR

        Client: My set of files is doing this, and giving me this specific error.

        Me: Ah OK, that is a known issue, close all the fikes and open the top level only, open each sub fike one by one till the error pops up, that will be the culprit so run this clean up tool on that file only.

        Crickets

        Week later, Client : Im having that same error again, can you help?

        Me: That cleanup tool should have fixed it.

        Client: I didn’t have time to do those steps so I just kept working as is.

        me: hopefully a gangster shoots me in a drive by crossfire on the way home.

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      I literally once got an email from another engineer using our internal tool at the big tech company I used to work for which said something like, “the page isn’t working. Please help. Attached screenshot of error.” The attached screenshot showed the error message, “Your authentication token has expired. Please refresh the page.”

      I emailed him back, “oh yeah, that happens when your authentication token expires. Try refreshing the page.”

      He emailed me back, “that worked, thanks!”

      (For anyone wondering, no, we can’t refresh the page for the user, because they might have unsaved data on it.)

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      I’ve had this and similar conversations far too many times, I keep professional but holy shit, and then when they do get a call going with a screen share they zoom past the error every. Single. Time.

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    Turning your computer off and back on again will solve 90% of your problems.

    Of the other 10% an additional reboot while on the phone with the IT person solves those.

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      Yep, I turn off my devices when I’m done with them. I’ll restart my phone from time to time.

      Most software isn’t made for patchwork while running. Sometimes even if it’s on a server lol. The stuff that is gets tested quite a bit.

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        Turning off and back on is not the same as restarting. If you want to force a restart like turn off, hold shift while clicking shutdown.

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            Sounds like the windows 10 ‘innovation’ called fast startup. Some genius decided instead of shutting down, let’s just log the user out and put the OS into standby… That’ll save a lot of boot time!

            It’s universally hated by IT and made redundant by SSDs

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              Also it really fucks with some peripherals. I even had a motherboard with RGB lights (don’t judge me, it was actually cheaper than the “normie” version I originally wanted) that didn’t turn off the lights and the fans because of this shitty feature. I never got around to investigating who was doing things wrong between Microsoft and the manufacturer in this case though, I just got into the habit of holding shift while clicking the shutdown button.

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              I hear you I turn off Linux devices too. Zombie power is a thing as well as software being a house of cards.

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    I’m a welder, and the general public doesn’t seem to understand why we charge so much for our services. Like, 80% of my work is fit-up, alignment, math, measurements, and work area prep.

    All the public sees is “durr, me hot glue metal! All done!” That’s exactly what you get with Jim Bob who owns a welder yet has never trained for it. He’s cheap, his welds are ugly, and they’re likely to fail in the near future.

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      Also do trades. People seem to have no perception that quality varies. They assume it’s busy work, it’s either done or not done, works or don’t work. All as if you flip a couple magical switches and everything’s finished.

      Always frustrating to explain how the electrician that’s 15$ an hour is gonna get you killed, and that wiring isn’t just snaking cords through a conduit.

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      Just show them some of my work as an amateur just sticking metal together and surely they’ll pay for your work.

      Like I try to at least measure, do some math, clean it up, and be steady but anybody looking at can know its my day job lol

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      Yeah I don’t hire tradesfolk thinking I’m getting something cheap. I hire tradesfolk thinking I’m getting something that’s gonna fucking work when I need it to for as long as it can be expected to. That weld ain’t the cheapest part of the bridge by any means but it cannot unexpected fail without catastrophe, so if trained and reputable welders are expensive then welds on that bridge is expensive.

      I can run my own wires when the wife lets me. But I won’t because that expensive electrician will do it safely and in a way that doesn’t cause even more expensive problems in the future

      Good labor isn’t cheap and cheap labor is rarely good.

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    It’s at least mostly going away nowadays, but…pulling a fire alarm will not make your school fire sprinklers go off. Getting one sprinkler to go off is just that. One sprinkler. None of the rest will go off.

    Also, fires in a building are never a spot here, a spot there, over there a spot, and just randomly burning patches all over the place. It just grows out and up from its origin point, for the most part. It doesn’t magically plant little patches all over the place. It’s also often times so smoky and so thick with smoke that you quite literally couldn’t see a big portion of fire if it were ten feet in front of you. You feel the heat and maybe see a faint bit of orange glow. Sometimes you don’t even get to see that.

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    At most corporate pizza places only a fraction of the delivery charge goes to the driver. My job, for example, charges $4.99 for delivery and gives the drivers $0.60.

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      I once interviewed to be a delivery driver for Domino’s and my Dad was adamant it was a bad idea and I should find different work and then insisted that I ask them about insurance if I was going to do it.

      It felt super awkward because I was pretty young and people just don’t ask those kinds of questions for minimum wage. He wanted me to ask them if they provided insurance to their drivers when they’re driving cars for them on the clock and explained to me that if there’s an accident while using the car for work then my insurance wouldn’t cover it which I checked and indeed they wouldn’t.

      The interviewer said they didn’t provide insurance but asked if I was insured and if I was, wouldn’t I be fine anyway? I said the insurance was not going to cover me while using the car for the job and the guy had this answer in a different tone like a kind of I’ve got this super clever scam that no one’s ever thought of but I’ll let you in on it vibe and leant forward and said “oh yeh, we know what to do here in that situation, what you do is you just say you weren’t working at the time”. I was incredulous but still a nervous teen and kind of meekly protested “but like what about the several pizzas in a bag and the uniform?” And he’s like “oh you just tell them you were on your way home from work and that’s your dinner”. That, along with many other fucked up things that occurred in the brief space of time this interview occupied convinced me to nope out of there.

      Yeh dude, I’m going to try and commit insurance fraud… very poorly… for Dominos… who can’t simply provide the necessary protection to allow people to do the job they’re asking them to do. If I have to get my own insurance, if it has to be a special kind of more expensive insurance that’s going to cover me driving for work, then I’m a contractor, not an employee and I’m going to set my own rates and they’re going to be a lot higher then what they were offering considering I also have to maintain my own vehicle and pay for fuel and insurance, to a certain extent I even arguably have to use the skill of knowing how and also being licensed to drive in the first place which makes it not exactly “unskilled” labour in this first place.

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        Former pizza driver here: Yeah it really does work like that, the cops never ask nor do they report it unless you say “Well there I was, delivering a pizza…” and your insurance company doesn’t send reps to accidents. We had people get in accidents, including me twice, every one was covered by the person’s insurance without question. Nobody cares but the insurance company and everyone from the store to the cops seems to agree “fuck them.” Sure it’s kind of insurance fraud but they deserve it and I never saw anyone get caught in the 10+yr I worked for multiple stores/companies.

        Now, your rates going up? That’s a different story. That’ll happen just like any other accident, and for that reason it’s better if the store pays, but that just isn’t how it works at any store nor for Uber/Ubereats, etc.

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          Yes I figured that that was how it worked when Dad insisted I asked because, although, of course, logically what he was saying made sense, I knew intuitively that that isn’t the world I live in, and that unlike a white collar career, the minimum wage world does not care about making conditions or contracts that would attract or retain employees because they have 100% of the bargaining power and will find a different wage slave if you ask weird and inconvenient questions. That was why it was so awkward and I was reluctant to ask in the first place.

          The thing is, while I’m all for a “fuck them” attitude towards insurance companies, if I’m going to commit insurance fraud, even if I think the risks are exceedingly low, I’m not doing it for Dominos, and doing it for them is indeed what’s happening there because in a just world this should obviously be the cost of offering a delivery service and by taking on this legal risk myself (and the burden of the increased premiums in the case of an accident) I’m gifting Dominos, the multinational megacorp, the opportunity to shirk what should definitely be their responsibility.

          The insurance issue and terrible amateur legal advice alone wasn’t actually what made me pass on that job, despite really needing it at the time. The rest of the interview was a train wreck in terms of me evaluating them as employers and though they seemed keen to hire me anyway on the basis of me apparently having a pulse, I was fortunate enough not to actually be destitute at the time and so wasn’t obliged to accept the offer.

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      To play devil’s advocate, it’s not just the delivery that’s included in those costs. It’s also the development and maintenance of the ordering platform, vehicle maintenance, etc.

      Edit: thanks for the downvotes even though I specified I was playing devil’s advocate. Also, in the Netherlands, pizza companies provide their own vehicles which seems normal to me.

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        Vehicles are generally owned and maintained by the driver. Also, these charges long predate the digital age. They pass them off as paying for maintaining a shitty app for ordering, but it is just a convenience fee, extra money they can make off those of us who are too busy, tired, stuck, or lazy to go pick it up. Always has been, always will be. Proof: if I go the old school way and call in to order it directly they still charge it.

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          Exactly one pizza place I’ve worked at (pre online ordering) had an adjustable delivery charge based on mileage that went entirely to the driver. However that was a Mom and Pop shop so it doesn’t count for this conversation about corporate pizza.

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    Just google the error message. Copy, paste. Read the top 5 results.

    No, click on the results and read the page.

    Did you read it? Explain to me why it doesn’t work.

    Still broken? Call the vendor.

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      Hello Google! Hey I was trying this function in Android and it’s not working. Plus when I search the first link is to your bug tracker and it’s marked as non fix.

      What do you mean this is a Wendy’s? What do you mean that’s a free product and there’s no support?

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    Everyone gets older. Everyones body breaks down eventually. The amount of elderly who have said “I never thought something like this would happen to me”. Look around Edna! What made you think you were going to avoid what happens to everyone else!?

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    Space is hard. You’re strapping something inside a big tube with basically directed explosives at the bottom, hoping it survives the trip, then subjecting it to constant radiation, huge temperature swings, and other brutal environmental factors like micrometeoroids. Just because we’ve been sending satellites and people up to space for nearly 70 years doesn’t mean it’s gotten easier; we’re just better at knowing what to expect so we can test for it. Failures in rockets or satellites or even manned spacecraft are going to happen as much as we work to prevent them.