For those who don’t know what I mean:
- LMDE = Linux Mint Debian Edition, https://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php
- xfce and cinnamon = desktop environments (DE)
target hardware for LMDE is an 8 year old nuked mac notebook with an intel chip.
I’ve always used xfce because it’s easy on the hardware and I don’t care that much about looks, but functionality.
I’ve never used cinnamon and I don’t know if it’s going to slow the notebook much.
Neither do I know if I can install LMDE and then change the DE to xfce.
Is LMDE being updated like the other mints? LMDE is version 6, whereas the other DE are version 21.3
LMDE does not provide a XFCE version, you can however install XFCE after installing LMDE. Cinnamon required in my experience twice as much recourses as XFCE. LMDE is based on Debian while regular Mint is based on Ubuntu. The releases are linked to those of the bases, but LMDE gets the Mint specific updates slightly later. The numbers are different because Ubuntu’s latest version is 24.4 while Debian is at version 12, so it wouldn’t make sense to have the same numbering for the corresponding Linux mint version.
makes sense, but I don’t understand why LMDE is marked as 6 when the newest stable debian is 12.5 (same applies to linux mint and ubuntu, now at 24.4) shouldn’t it be LMDE 12 or 12.5?
My bad, I realized my comment reads a lot differently than what I was trying to say. Linux mints release schedule is not bound to Ubuntu. Linux mint gets a new major version every two years (although this is not strictly set) while LMDE usually gets a new major update with the new Debian version, but because Debian has been around for a lot longer than LMDE the number is higher.
There isn’t an ISO for Linux Mint with Xfce.
What I would try:- Boot the normal ISO
- open a terminal instead of starting the installation
- enter
sudo live-installer-expert-mode
It should boot the Debian expert installer, which lets you choose what DE you want to install. I haven’t tested this on LMDE, though.
Otherwise, install LMDE normally. Then do
sudo apt install xfce4andsudo apt purge cinnamon* muffin* nemo*.I suggest trying Cinnamon and see how it feels. Unless your old notebook has less than 2GB RAM then you will probably be aok. I have run it on some pretty weak machines before and never found XFCE to be noticeably snappier.
I wouldn’t recommend installing a distro just to install a different DE. IMHO, you should be fine with cinnamon. I’m using Linux Mint 21.3 with cinnamon on an x201 (Thinkpad released in 2010), though I did up the RAM to the 8GB max. However, if you want XFCE, is there a reason you don’t want to use Linux Mint 21.3 with XFCE? If that’s no good for you, I’d recommend finding a distro that fits most of your needs right out of the box, maybe Peppermint Linux or MX Linux?
However, if you want XFCE, is there a reason you don’t want to use Linux Mint 21.3 with XFCE?
I’m still unsure about the differences: LMDE is based on debian, the OS I now use the most, whereas LM (linux mint) is based on ubuntu. Several posters have argued that LMDE, like debian, is barebones, whereas LM is ideal for an end user with not much idea about linux, but my main issue is speed: I don’t want the notebook to be painfully slow: this is a notebook with an Intel Core i5-4278U @ 2.60GHz (2 cores, 4 threads) with 8 GB RAM and installing and upgrading on xubuntu 23.10 was already really, painfully slow.
I either save on resources using a lightweight DE like xfce or using a barebones OS like LMDE
I also want to future proof it as much as possible, which would mean using the OS/DE that uses less resources.
this is a notebook with an Intel Core i5-4278U @ 2.60GHz (2 cores, 4 threads) with 8 GB RAM and installing and upgrading on xubuntu 23.10 was already really, painfully slow.
Have you put an SSD in there, or are you still running on spinning rust? In my experience, even a cheap SSD will make a huge difference.
yes. This MacBook Pro, Intel Core i5-4278U @ 2.60GHz, model A1502 (EMC 2875), Retina Mid-2014 13" has an embedded apple SSD.
I’m not going to spend any money upgrading any part of this notebook: not much bang for my buck and the model is most probably not supported anymore.
Yes you can run xfce on lmde. I installed the xfce from repos and it works great with lmde.
You can use any DE you want on just about any distro you want
If the Mac has a Retina display then I actually found XFCE runs worst of the various DEs at native resolution. Not in terms of resources but very choppy scrolling, video playback etc. Gnome and KDE Plasma actually ran better than XFCE for me on my 15” 2012 retina.
Presume it’s some kind of graphics acceleration thing, not 100% sure.
If the Mac has a Retina display
yes, model is a MacBook Pro, Intel Core i5-4278U @ 2.60GHz, model A1502 (EMC 2875), Retina Mid-2014 13"
Incidentally, I got the notebook as a present, got rid of mac OS and installed xubuntu 23.10 on it. Some mac OS users mean this company deliberately slows down old computers so users feel compelled to buy something newer. Can it be that’s why this notebook is so slow? I didn’t do anything fancy to install xubuntu, just used the whole space to install from a usb stick so I wonder if some residual software is still present.
Contrary to most advice, if you find something that’s compatible with a Wayland session (basically Gnome or Plasma) you might be pleasantly surprised.
I found that to be by far the closest I got to a macOS-like experience with Linux on a retina Mac, in terms of fluidity, trackpad scrolling and responsiveness.
in short, I should install debian gnome or kde
