Mine is fresh highschool graduates getting 2 weeks of training to go work acute, all-male forensic psychiatry. We’re taking criminally insane men who are unsafe to put on a unit with criminally insane women.
…and they would send fresh high school graduates (often girls because hospitals in general tend to be female-dominated) in the yoga pants and club makeup they think are proffessional because they literally have 0 previous work experience to sit suicide watch for criminally insane rapists who said they were suicidal because they knew they would send some 18y/o who doesn’t know any better to sit with them. It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
My favorite float technician was the 60 year old guy who was super gassy and looked like an off-season Santa. Everybody hated that guy because they said he was super lazy but he would sit suicide watch all fucking shift without complaining and he almost never failed to dissapoint a sex pest who thought they were gonna get some eye candy (or worse).
What’s your example?
I need 4 years of education and 5+ years of experience to work as an engineer to give people something to look at on their phones.
Police need 6 months of training to make life and death decisions and they get a pension and permanent immunity when they fuck up
Lol 6 months? Where at? Most places I know of it’s 6 weeks.
Plenty of counties in the US will elect you to Sherriff without any experience at all. Just say the right Tough On Crime rhetoric and you’re good to go.
And here’s a reminder that, following the horrible shooting at Uvalde and the police’s staggeringly bad response, they still reelected the local sheriff.
And here is what you get: Former Clark County Sheriff Hit With More Fraud, Money Laundering Charges
Depends on the level of cop. Our feds are 6mo, math- and psyche-heavy courses, and ruthlessly checked for background.
And, they don’t have immunity. They do a crime, they’ll do a time. Their oversight dept is rough as shit and there’s nowhere to magically transfer to unless ya emigrate.
I don’t consider the feds really cops though, like I know they are but at that point they’re a step above. I’m talking more about your average ticket nanny with a gun.
Cops
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
It’s 3 years here in Germany. Seems like some cops in the US are little more than hired thugs.
Or a little less.
That might lead to competency. We don’t do that here.
While Europe is far ahead in terms of training for police, I don’t think even 4 years is enough.
POTUS
Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.
some kind of expectation of relevant experience
heh
normally
There has been nothing normal about our elective process since the summer of 2015. And it’s only getting more fucked up across the board.
Imagine if voters only voted for responsible people who would make good presidents.
Sheriff is an elected position in the US no experience required.
Bonus answer, president of the United States, we’ve elected two mentally deficient celebrities so far…
There’s stories of small towns hiring sheriff’s which were related to the mayor.
And John Oliver’s dive into Sheriff’s in this Guardian Article: Tremendous amount of authority with low accountability’
Police reform is a uphill battle.
Worst are “constitutional sheriffs,” who claim the power and duty to defy or disregard laws they regard as unconstitutional (read: I don’t like this). They essentially try to reign supreme in their counties.
The county coroner is an ELECTED position.
I’m a mortician who’s worked substantially with autopsies. To be the county coroner, you do not need a degree, you do not need experience in mortuary science, postmortem science, forensics, pathology, NOTHING. All you need to be the county coroner, is to be popular.
Meanwhile, funeral directors in the USA need to go through years of college and continuing education, because we’re literally the last line of defense when coroners/doctors screw up. I’ve caught dozens of mistakes the coroner has made and I’m sick of it. The most recently was a shaken and bruised baby having cause of death listed as SIDS.
I no longer blindly trust autopsies for accurate cause of death. If the mortician needs 4 years of medical school, the freaking county coroner would should be required for at LEAST that to be elected.
Hey, some places it’s the county Sheriff that’s the coroner… which is also bad.
Sometimes people die in the county jail… and almost every time it’s not needed to perform an autopsy- it’s just natural causes…
The coroner needs to be an impartial medical professional.
… That’s disturbing
4 years of medical school and a few years of residency (and maybe fellowship) in pathology. So you’re talking 12 to 16 years of post-high school education because it’s becoming more and more common to have to have a post-bacc or a master’s to get into medical school in the first place.
We have to take additional courses and pass every year, as well as take pandemic response training and mass death psychology/procedure. I even got trained for the ebola outbreak 10 years ago. 2 years of pre-med, 2 years of medical and postmortem science, and a residency which is a minimum of a year, but often longer as it’s based on tasks you have to do. A specified amount of autopsied cases, military cases, decomposition, etc. Then you have to pass your state and LARA exams.
The curriculum included classes for psychology, reconstructive cosmetology, and business law too. I’m a Jill of all trades 😅See, I’m planning on trying to steal your business by going into emergency medicine to be a necromancer. (I have done CPR on people that have actually woken up to complain about it…you cannot convince me that CPR/resuscitation is not necromancy.)
If you want an interesting read, look up cadaveric spasms. I’ve been slapped by a dead body.
It must vary by location. I know I’ve never voted for county coroner. After a little digging, it sounds like my county did away with its elected position over a hundred years ago.
That’s awesome. It’s nice to read that some places are doing away with stupid things.
Parenting.
Are you sure I’m qualified??
I often wish more of my adult psych patients’ parents had done some reading about psychosocial development and how to support the child at each stage but more importantly I pretty much always wish they’d cared half as much as you did to even ask that question.
Being a coroner in some places. Medical examiners are professionals with a degree (and coroner’s usually are too), but the coroner is often an elected position, and elected positions usually only have residency and age requirements. Coroners have a huge level of power because they get to decide what is and what is not murder. Someone dies in police custody? They can call it natural causes, and it never goes to the court system. A political opponent dies by two gunshots? That can be called a suicide.
My grandmother was the county coroner for a while. She was a pharmacist professionally. In those places, it’s more “give it a quick kick and say they’re dead” (she never did that) more than anything else. She only declared death, not attribute cause to my knowledge.
The other part of it is that, for whatever reason, in my county the only higher arresting authority than the sheriff was the coroner. It was her job to serve him with papers when he was being sued and, not that it ever came up, arrest him when it needed done.
Weird system.
In several states the coroner is also the only authority that can arrest the governor as well. Very strange system.
Ah yes like the Boeing employees who shot themselves in the head twice.
I’m a mortician and posted something similar. Morticians go through 4 years of medical school, including pathology and forensics, because it falls on us when the coroner screws up… and they have. The case that hits me the hardest was an infant being given SIDS as the cause of death, but postmortem bruising and broken bones told a different story. The owner had to call police and fake a funeral arrangement while he waited for them to arrive.
Mortuary school is an associate or bachelor level degree. Morticians do not go to medical school
With no disrespect of the mortician above, medical schooling would be the appropriate term. Medical school is generally equivalent to a phd with an internship after.
You’re correct, I should have chosen the words better. I had the same classes as doctors for years and had to compete with them for grades, but my courses veered once the classes went onto curing people. (It’s a bit too late to cure them, by the time they get to us 😅)
After that, was 4 semesters of postmortem science classes revolving around pathology, chemistry, embalming, biohazard protection, forensics, facial reconstruction; and the weird ones like funeral law/insurance, history of death, customs and religions, psychology of death and dying. I love doing reconstructions and creating prosthetics to match a photo when a person is too decomposed or injured. Giving people the chance to say goodbye and have closure is really rewarding.
My university required 2 years of medical courses; as well as 2 years of mortuary science curriculum. Multiple states I’ve worked in require continuing education in the medical field with exams every year. But every state and university is different. When I was stationed and worked in Colorado, I learned you don’t even need a degree to be a mortician. Any person can shadow a Funeral Director and start embalming. That’s terrifying.
I’ll happily concede that things may have changed. I was in college 10 years ago.
Great, you went to college, not medical school. If someone graduated with a bachelor’s degree in anatomy and physiology, they took more medical related classes than you, but still no one would say they went to “medical school.” It’s deliberately misleading and insulting to the people who actually spend over a decade becoming fully-licensed physicians. Not that dissimilar to stolen valor, frankly. Phlebotomists, nurses, etc all take medical classes and actually go on to treat patients medically, but still no one would say they went to medical school. You do a difficult and important job and you have every right to be proud of it, but you have nowhere near the level of medical knowledge or training of someone who went to medical school.
I get what you’re saying, but I respectfully disagree. I don’t think you understand the course load/requirements for this degree. It might be different for different schools, so I’m happy to elaborate. First of, ignore pre-reqs, like math/english/computer/etc. and let’s just talk science. My university was one of the top in the nation and I was required to take the same courses as doctors for years; I had to compete with them for my grades (bell curves suck); the only difference was that my courses changed direction when it got to classes regarding curing/treating people. You don’t need that for a postmortem science degree, so the next 4 semesters went into strictly death related education.
My university had us thoroughly trained on any potential medical risks, biohazards, and hospital procedures. We were dissecting, helping with autopsies, learning forensics and pathology, training in everything regarding the heart and vascular system, and don’t get me started on all the chemistry/physiology… yes, the courses veered, to avoid teaching us how to cure someone, but that does not take away that we go through medical school.
We are trained to be the last line of defense for catching crimes and doctor’s mistakes; we have continuing education alongside doctors, nurses, and pathologists; we have to work with people who’ve died of dangerous diseases and protect the public… we just don’t have to worry about curing a corpse. If you’ve actually read this, please start your reply with the word autopsy.
I worked at an airport as a ramp agent and it was a minimum wage no experience job where if things fail on an 8/10 level you could cause a plane crash either by terrible luggage distribution or in effective deicing of the planes wings as an aside air canada has lower standard for deice training than most
Excellent example of a “small” job people don’t realize could accidentally kill someone!
It was a fight to get the company to raise the starting wage so we could keep up with mcdonalds, it took every lead hand threatening to walk out during winter when it’s hardest to replace people because of deice training
It’s above one of the ALT keys.
There is no requirement that I am aware of for college professors to have any training in the fundamentals of instruction, and it SHOWS.
That’s because professors are still intended to be researchers first, which makes sense for the cutting edge topics, but there’s a ton of college level fundamentals you need to understand first.
Kind of off topic but mildy related. Have you seen the old Val Kilmer movie Real Genius? Just wondering if you find it a fun watch today or not
9/10 of my graduate professors couldn’t profess their way out of a paper bag. The actually good teachers were limited because they didn’t research enough. Fuck grad school.
I aspired to work in education in college and took a lot of courses on adult education and how to teach people. I recognized that my favorite teachers in K-12 used those techniques , while realizing none of it was done at the college level.
I don’t work in education but I find myself using those techniques all the time in the workplace. And there’s a clear difference between my department’s onboarding and capabilities versus others.
I really noticed this once I found myself at the community college. The school liked to market that you were educated by “working professionals with industry experience.” which translated to the school paying them less than their second, full-time job on top of all the stuff about them not knowing how to teach while they were in charge of the grading of 20+ classes per semester. Prior to that in my experience I had only ever come across professors who were incredibly passionate about what they were teaching or alternatively were incredibly passionate about teaching-itself. it was eye-opening in the most frustrating way.
This is kind of backwards in the aviation world: There’s a whole separate certificate for flight instructors which involves training in psychology, lesson planning and all that in addition to stuff like flying the plane from the right seat, spin training and all that. Thing is, it’s often baby’s first aviation job. A lot of flight instructors are freshly minted commercial pilots and their first lesson is their first revenue flight. You don’t get to go fly jets for the charters and airlines without experience, and where do you get experience? flying smaller, less expensive aircraft. What’s the single biggest demand for pilots flying smaller, less expensive aircraft? Flight schools.
For me it is people making food, supplements, and drugs. From their production to their quality department. Just full of people that have no idea what they are doing and making poor decisions. That’s not even to mention the management and owners.
Bonus: Home inspectors / mold remediation “professionals”. Absolutely clueless.
My partner works in food service and always comments that despite what conservative Kens and Karens think, you really don’t want adolescents to be the primary handlers of things you put inside your body, especially not that last little bit where they’re supposed to cook off all the bacteria and viruses.
Pharm tech licensing varies wiiiiidely across the states. Some require natl very, some require basically on job training IIRC.
RPh not so much, but tech also has responsibility not to kill you with a misfill and more eyes are always good for preventing deaths.
The shit wages they pay in relation to being responsible in part for safety and accuracy (in retail) is a big part of why most retail is dangerously understaffed.
Same for insurance agents and real estate agents in many (most?) of US. HS, a couple weeks of “teaching to the test,” and a test is all it takes. Rote memorisation. - lots of those younger folks in insurance couldn’t define what they may/may not say/promise, or who is an “Insured” under a given policy.
The mold remediation is something I was forced to deal with at our 2nd house we bought, was a foreclosured place that had been sitting, bank wouldn’t sell it until the mold in the basement was taken care of, the “professionals” the bank hired, literally were 2 young kids probably 19 or 20, that came in and just ripped out all the drywall and tossed it in the driveway, then left all the wall studs still covered in mold, in. Told the bank they were done and the bank agreed with it. I don’t know how much they paid them but it wasn’t worth more than the 2 hours of labor to demo some drywall.
They are supposed to take air samples before and after a remediation to show that the mold is decreasing. This includes lots of fans and can even include ozone treatment. Unfortunately I know some companies will fake test results to get a client. We’re talking pre and post remediation. It’s a super shady business. I would always recommend multiple opinions.
Yea they didn’t do shit, but we wanted the house, so we just didn’t really care. I ended up gutting the basement anyways and rebuilding everything properly, but yea the bank got completely screwed dealing with them.
It was a revelation at some point in my young life when I realized that CEOs (and any other executive position) are not the highly trained and capable leaders with grand business acumen that I was led to believe they are. Literally anyone can be a CEO for a few dollars and their name on a business registration with the local government, no training or capability is required.
Horrifying in retrospect to realize how many people lionize executives simply for adopting a title.
Every CEO I’ve worked for, I could do the technical part of their job. I couldn’t do the political part because I’m results and data driven. Their prideful fuckers who yell louder and demand satisfaction and wield their ability to fire you. Fuck CEO 's.
I worked in a bunch of tech.
Startup CEOs are often folks who rolled really high on Charisma and convinced a lot of people to give them money. Often they have a spark of genius, but if they were really smart, they’d hand over power to people smarter than them. That’s how major companies are founded. Then they settle back down.
The dumb ones are egotistical and many end up failing upwards, as they continue being propped up by other until money disappears and they break enough friendships that they end up in jail.
Most CEO positions are just a “boys club” popularity contest…
Knew a guy that did that, made some buisness cards and rented a lambo to pick up chicks. It worked shrug
I think it’s great when people create a small business and are successful. But I roll my eyes when they have a business with 20 employees and put their title as President & CEO on shit like linkedin. Just put owner. Or managing partner.
Police
Not where I’m from. Requires significant training and testing
Police in the United States
Took more than 3 years a was deferred on a few attempts for my first roomate to get accepted the police here in vancouver(he was originally trying to join RCMP) he needed more experience after a degree or 2 in ciminology before he was accepted.
They don’t have to, if it’s shitting on the police in English (and rightly so). The US part is implied at this point.
No its not implied. The world is bigger than one country. This is not a US exclusive place so either learn to communicate with people from wide variety of places and experience or stay confined to your echo chambers. The US is quickly becoming one of those shithole countries your felon of a president likes to talk about.
This mentallity is a form of enshittification. You have to put some effort into communicating clearly and effectively.
It’s not “our” felon president, he’s the ex-president. If you’re going to try and take some sort of “high moral” road, know what you’re talking about.
You obviously have some sort of issue or bone to pick. I don’t have time for that petty nonsense. Good bye.
Americans use the title mr president when referring to former presidents, im sure its a common else where as well
Get your facts straight your own damned self. The entire MAGA movement and the fact that hes the relublican candidate for president this election calls him President Trump.
And hes a convicted felon now.
It’s an accurate statement whether you like it or not
Where are you from?
In my country:
- federal cops are well-trained, low-paid, shit benefits, must like horses.
- regional/muni cops are increasingly less trained, better paid, and for people who can’t be the fed cops (usually background check) they can sometimes be local cops. Think about that.
- transit cops are like regionals but can go anywhere there’s transit. I don’t understand it either, nor do I know how much training they need.
Phlebotomists in some states don’t need any training. None. If you’ve ever given blood in one of those states this is probably not surprising to you.
Not surprising to me in any way, I did exactly that while in school (among other unlicensed healthcare roles).
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You expected sitters who do the suicide watch at a prison to be well trained? What’d you call it? 🤣 forensic psychiatry?Where I’m at, they let other prisoners watch them… Sounds like you got sold a dream because they have a lot of turn over…
