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    Immigration absolutely helps the US economy, because it parasitically siphons all the skilled workers out of other countries that it underdevelops and hoards their labor for itself.

    People think remittances help underdeveloped countries, but labor is the superior of capital, losing that skilled labor is never worth the paltry sums that get sent back home. It’s just another shape that imperialism takes.

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      In Canada we heavily base immigration on education. So we’re siphoning off the best educated of other countries. I mean this is just fucking those countries.

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        That’s truly one of the worst things about brain drain / educated people moving to the imperial core countries for the high salaries. Global south countries really need educated young people helping to solve their own problems, and Canada and the US rip out their heart and soul.

        At least in tech / programming, a good chunk of us are devoting most of our labor time to not just wasteful things, but actively harmful things, like trying to get people to click on ads, or increasing viral engagement.

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        I mean that’s the whole point of the US higher education system, excepting the Republicans (with the help of Democrats) broke the parts of our immigration system that is supposed to take advantage of educating the world.

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        Don’t misunderstand, the people moving to the US are blameless. Imperialism works by siphoning up all of the skilled labor around the world for itself in order to make life better for people within the imperial core, and this is part of how the imperial nations underdevelop other countries. People get educations in their home countries (often at the government’s expense) and then they take that education out of the country to put it to use in the US (or France or Canada etc). They’re just going where the jobs are, though, that’s not their fault at all.

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      Except where there’s little opportunity to utilize the highly skilled labor. They are going abroad anyway to find job opportunities befitting of their skill set and the highest bidder. Doesn’t matter if the US or EU took them, they’re leaving because the local opportunity doesn’t exist.

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        Yes, and the people who could develop that local opportunity aren’t there. They all leave as soon as they can.

        That’s why I said they’re underdeveloped countries. They’re not “developing” in truth, but are being kept from becoming developed. How do you think that happens? In part it happens because of the IMF giving predatory loans and then imposing austerity on the people when the government can’t pay their loans back, but it also happens because labor is the superior of capital and these countries are losing skilled labor.

        I am not blaming them for leaving their countries. I am blaming underdevelopment, which is a product of imperialism.

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    The president made the remark while arguing that Japan, along with Russia and China, would perform better economically if the countries embraced immigration more.

    Oh, well that’s true enough. Japan is crazy anti immigration despite that being a solution to their low birth rate.

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    I can’t speak to Russia or China, but Japan has a history of xenophobia going back CENTURIES. It’s not exactly a newsflash.

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      China is trying to erase any non-Han culture and Russia has a long history of ethnic cleansing.

      Japan has its issues, but are ahead of the other two. They’ve even started acknowledging the Aniu, partly because they realized tourists are interested in them, but take the wins we can get in progress.

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      About all 3 tbh. China and russia are literally in the middle of committing genocides. Doesnt get much more xenophobic than that lol

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    He’s not wrong but also I believe there’s a saying in English about stones and glass houses.

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      Even the most bigoted parts of the US are nowhere near as xenophobic as Japan. Housing discrimination based on race is still perfectly acceptable over there, many people will refuse to rent to foreigners.

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        perfectly acceptable

        At least some governments in Japan appear to disagree:

        https://jobsinjapan.com/living-in-japan-guide/housing-discrimination-challenges-faced-by-foreigners-in-japan/

        Japan signed the “International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD)” in 1996

        Tokyo Metropolitan Government educates real estate agents on the illegality of nationality-based rental refusals, considering them discriminatory

        And the article itself seems to contradict with those statements…

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        Do you think there isn’t housing discrimination happening in the US?

        Black families often have their homes appraised for less than white family homes.

        Housing applications often get denied if the person has a non white last name.

        Hell, the last time I was looking around for a room to rent I got asked multiple times over the phone. “You’re white right?”

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    Japan simply is xenophobic. I lived there for 2 years. That’s just a fact.

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        Unsafe doesn’t mean they liked or respected you as an equal

        • True. But I did mention that they were also friendly. I had no issue getting into all sorts of activities with them. From playing the Shamisen to practicing Sadō. I had lots of friends who would help me out in all sorts of things, such as the University entrance exam, moving stuff, and translation.

          I’m speaking of my experiences of course. I come from a different cultural background (Arab). I lived in both the US and Japan, and in almost all aspects except employment and income, I prefer Japan. Your mileage may vary.

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        I shared that experience. I also was actively excluded from all sorts of things (including essential services) because I was a foreigner. Whenever a group of expats got together, at some point in the night, the conversation would be about how everyone got discriminated against recently.

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    China xenophobic? I don’t think Biden knows what the word means. The oldest mosque outside of the Middle East is in China of all places built in 627 CE, and still standing.

    What happened to the mosques in Spain and Occupied Palestine? Turned into bars and chicken coops.

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    As neat as Japan sounds and as much as I’d like to be there, I mean, he’s not wrong

    I watch YouTubers who moved to and live there talk about how they’re just indefinitely treated like a tourist

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    Who cares what this genocidal fascist has to say. The sooner he kicks it the better it will be for everyone else.

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    Pretty much every country in the world where citizenship, nationality, and ethnicity are the same thing you find xenophobia.

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    Partly true about inviting foreigners. Japan has a trainee visa system that is abusive, as they always are, and is designed so that those employees (victims) never get citizenship. And it’s a single citizenship country, because of course it is. But hey, employers are very willing to bring in those laborers, since it’s cheaper than paying what the law requires.

    And you can’t fix demographics with people who only stay for a year or two.

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          most?

          Don’t get out much, eh? Xenophobia is present all throughout the world in different amounts, it has its roots in any insulated human nature. The US is far from the worst on Earth though, despite whatever cherry-picked propaganda one may read. We just do have some, particularly in more interior regions.

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              Yeah I’m not clicking on that. Assuming it’s about the ICE facility allegations from 2020 though. And yeah, Trump is a monster. Make no mistake, the US could go fully fascist if we let it, there are certainly xenophobic elements within the country. It’s not a majority opinion though.

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                “majority opinion” doesn’t matter, government actions do. Regardless of the majority opinion, what has occurred and other things that continue to occur are irreparably destroying lives and killing people.

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                  If all government actions from any point in time are what matter, and not the democratic opinions of the populace or the actions of the current government, then I’d say the worst was Mongolia under Genghis Khan.

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                  This is emphatically wrong on every level. You’re calling an entire country and it’s inhabitants xenophobic, yet you’re referring to the actions of a far-right figure we not only voted out of office, but never voted to put in in the first place (he lost the popular vote.)

                  You’re ironically very xenophobic - even if you are American. Because most Americans are welcoming as part of our culture. To be against that is not only wrong, it’s also very unfounded.

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                Amerika already is full-fascist; if you can’t tell, you haven’t been paying attention. Must be comfortable where you’re at.

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          It’s really not. Not to sound like I’m erasing racism in the US, but the reason you hear about it is because it’s tested and contested so much. It’s almost always way worse in more homogeneous nations.

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          Americans are so racist they don’t even realize how racist they are, and get mad when you point it out.

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          What do you mean by this? I live in the US on the Mexico border and we are extremely welcoming.

          Stop getting your facts from Fox News.

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            People are allowing perfect be the enemy of good. We could treat migrants better and improve the visa pipeline, but once they acclimate they are just another person.

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      Broken clocks and all that - but this one only has one hand working at this point. We’re always counting down to midnight, for some reason.