tl;dr :
- Hexchat IRC client app development stopped
- Linux Mint team was building IRC client to replace Hexchat
- The team tried Matrix and liked it
- Linux Mint’s communication channels are moving from IRC to Matrix
- The desktop app will be named Matrix to avoid confusion
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I‘m not sure if I like this. I use Matrix for a couple of years now and to be honest the more I use it the more I hate it.
Everything just feels slow, clunky and some basic things are quite complicated to archive and some functionality just does not work.
All that was okay for me in the beginning but it never got better.IRC and XMPP also had their problems but I often wish them back nowadays.
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this message was not encrypted for this device if we’re going to wish XMPP back
You son of a … 😫
I think Matrix is the future, it just needs better designers and implementation.
They really, really shouldn’t do things differently than discord just to be different.
Looks like you’re saying federation is the future, but Matrix is a bad federation implementation. And that sounds good.
I still think forums are the best way to handle support. Even phpBB is better than any chat. Have a bot alert a chat channel that the project team hangs out for every new topic or something, if that’s a concern.
I still think forums are the best way to handle support. Even phpBB is better than any chat. Have a bot alert a chat channel that the project team hangs out for every new topic or something, if that’s a concern.
Giving the users the choice to have IRC and a forum sounds nice to me. Forums for the longer conversations and be able to look up things with a search engine, and IRC for quick questions and informal chat.
Discord is the Gold Standard for you ? Why ?
It’s the easiest to use.
While this is true IMO, it’s needed to say that the redesigned Discord mobile app is complete shitshow.
It didn’t take over most of its competition’s userbase magically, they have a well designed system despite its flaws.
Taking away being Electron based, the UI/UX of desktop app is really good.
Everything just feels slow, clunky and some basic things are quite complecated to archive
It’s been that way for much longer than a few years unfortunately. I don’t understand how people can tolerate it. Some projects switched to it because it seemed more beginner friendly than IRC, but to me it’s not focussed on making things easy.
My problem with matrix is that you need email address to use it. Compared to the irc, where you could just use whatever name and ask questions straight away. Most distros I used came with an irc client preinstalled and preconfigured to connect to the support channel when launched. In my opinion that is more beginner friendly.
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The pathway I see is unfortunately IRC/XMPP→Matrix→Discord
Cool that they are using now matrix
I was trying to think of what the impactful differences between IRC and Matrix are (it’s been a while).
“While being as open as IRC, Matrix provides a user experience which is similar to Slack or Discord to some extent. It’s modern, it’s persistent, and […] it’s actually less confusing to newcomers than an extremely simple application like Jargonaut.”
Persistancy! It’s funny how that completely slipped my mind. The expectation from a chat room app has changed a lot since I last regularly used IRC and I guess I forgot what it used to be like.
Hmm I hope it will be at least somewhat stable. I never had good experience with Matrix for more than like an hour
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And I was hoping there was an alternative to fractal as a nativ app…
KDE’s NeoChat is written in Qt if I’m not mistaken
🫡nice, gotta look Hope it supports E2E encryption
“some aspects of End-to-End Encryption are supported”
Whatever that means 😂
Also Nheko is nice.
I found it to be very buggy, usually had UI rendering issues
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Even better 😄
Why have preinstalled apps though? Hear me out… i am very new to Linux and enjoying it quite much.
But most of the preinstalled programs that came with mint, i have not touched and never will.
Some will use the built in note editor, some the built in music player, some the built in video player, and now some will use matrix
Mint isn’t overly bloated, or even “bloated”, these apps are useful for a decent part of the demographic, and having them preinstalled lowers the friction a new user feels when installing a new OS
Why have preinstalled apps though?
To make it easier for people.
That does not make any sense if you read my comment. This is my point exactly. They are not saving me any time because i won’t use matrix and i wouldn’t have spent time installing it. . They may even be making it harder for me if i chose to uninstall it
You’re not the only user. Other people may benefit even if you personally don’t. Getting software you don’t want is a compromise for getting an easy out the box installation that comes with what you want already pre-installed.
If you want a more personalized approach there’s always forking a distro and customizing it so that it suits your needs (which is how Nobara came into being).
If that was the case they would add a step in the installation giving you the option to have no preinstalled apps and choose between currated apps based on your expected use for this pc.
I dont argue that its a great service. I am slightly opposed on it being a forced option
Mint is aimed at normies. The fewer barriers to entry, the better. If you give users the option for a “clean” install there will be people who select it, not knowing what they’re doing, and then end up with a borderline non-functional computer as far as they’re concerned. To put it another way, they expect it to have stuff pre-installed. Finally, what counts as essentials and what counts as bloat? Text editor? Media player? Photo viewer? Internet browser?
That being said, I understand why you might not like getting extra programs you didn’t ask for. Luckily, they’re very easy to uninstall and forget about.
Its a support room app. Xiaomi has forum apps built in for this reason.
Because when interacting with other people to do something together it is more convenient not having to encourage them to install something. Like preinstalled Magic Wormhole for file sharing or something for remote desktop. FTP client is a must. Chat is nice to have.
I use Arch btw.
Im not convinced.
But i guess i never will. Just yesterday i needed an ftp client. I went to the software manager to down had it and realised it was already preinstalled.
It saves me maybe 8 sec?
I feel Mint doesn’t need a Matrix client, IPTV client etc. pre-installed, but luckily you can easily remove those unlike some other OS’s
I recently switched my main Linux laptop to Fedora and I have to say, it’s probably the most stable and clean distro I’ve ever used.
Happy for you… but isn’t this thread about Mint?
Is that a way to say “by the way I use fedora”? 😀
No, it’s a way to say that Mint has become bloated and not a great experience.
I just switched to Fedora from Mint, and was impressed.
Do we know when Mint 22 is coming yet other than just “summer '24”?
Would you rather they announce “when it’s ready” instead?
It wasn’t a criticism - I was just curious if anyone had any more info.
Nobody got solid info (probably not the devs themselves), but some facts:
- they’re based on Ubuntu LTS
- they put heavy modifications on top of it
- from their track record, the major releases have been on June & July
Thanks!
I wish they went with XMPP. Still cool though.
