• lud@lemm.ee
      1010·
      2 years ago

      I think it’s up to Ukraine to decide if they want to defend themselves or not and they have obviously selected defense.

      Russia is the aggressor and is solely responsible for the deaths in this case.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
            115·
            2 years ago

            That’s pure nonsense given that this is not happening in Russia. Maybe stop guzzling propaganda and start engaging with reality.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                63·
                2 years ago

                Comparing convicts to nabbing people off the street exposes your intellectual dishonesty. However, the fact is that Russia isn’t even doing that anymore. They literally have people volunteering. You should follow your own advice and stop projecting. Everything I’ve been saying about this conflict for the past two years is becoming increasingly obviously true. Meanwhile, people who have been peddling western propaganda are looking like clowns at this point. The fact that you lack any capacity for self reflection is just amazing.

                Maybe ask yourself how is it that Russia isn’t collapsing like you were promised, that Russian economy is outperforming the west, that Russian army is becoming stronger than NATO. This all being openly discussed by the same western media that said all those things would happen. Yet, here you are bleating about Russian propaganda.

                • lud@lemm.ee
                  36·
                  2 years ago

                  None of that really matters when Russia is the one that is invading a foreign country and killing its citizens. Funny how all of you keep ignoring that or you just recite the Russian government propaganda.

      • OrnluWolfjarl@lemmygrad.ml
        85·
        2 years ago

        So the 15000 civilian deaths caused by Ukraine bombing its own provinces before Russia intervened, the constant efforts by Russia to resolve the issue diplomatically, the naked refusal of the West to even engage with Russia, the West openly backing a fascist coup in Ukraine, and then arming it with the explicit dictate of provoking Russia, the West pressuring Ukraine to not accept the generous settlement offered by Russia in May after the war started, all that doesn’t count?

      • मुक्त@lemmy.ml
        12·
        2 years ago

        Ukraine decided. To vote a comedian to a serious office.
        They were probably hoping for a comedy, but what they have got is a tragedy.

        Russia is doing what it had promised to do in its earlier agreements with Ukraine. It can’t be blamed if the electorate in another country doesn’t take things seriously.

        • ex10n@lemm.ee
          1·
          2 years ago

          Russia falling on its face, as an aggressor in this invasion, to a country ran by a comedian really helps to put context to Russia’s decline. They basically shot themselves in the foot and if there weren’t lives being lost, it’d be fairly comedic.

        • lud@lemm.ee
          1·
          2 years ago

          Please provide sources for the agreement that says “please invade me and kill lots of our citizens if we ever elect a former comedian as a president”

  • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.mlEnglish
    147·
    2 years ago

    The war will stop, simply put. NATO has been artificially extending this war for far longer than it should have been given the circumstances.

    Ukraine had a chance to do peace talks but they blew it trying to have their cake and fuck it too, so now they’re going to lose it all.

    EDIT: Oh sorry, the way I put it was turning off a lot of people. Let me rephrase that. Ukraine will see that they are all alone in this fight because the US is too busy doing genocide in the middle east and they will tap into their superior Nordic genetics and unlock their superpowers. They will fly through the air and launch the crippled forces of russian ork war crimes into the stratosphere, the remaining will bow down and admit that nazism is the superior form of government as Russia is forced to finally admit they were losing. In short: they will win by a landslide just like all of the western media has been saying all along. EDIT2: WHAT!? I said Ukraine was going to win, what more do you want from me?? EDIT3: I can’t believe that worked.

  • waka@discuss.tchncs.de
    1711·
    2 years ago

    Ukraine alone won’t be the cause for a dystopian scenario with Russia as the world government, but I don’t like where it would be going if Ukraine fell. Russia surely wouldn’t stop afterwards. I’d rather see a world where trade connects people than a world where governments forcefully connect people via ideologies. The latter never worked out for anyone.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
      1611·
      2 years ago

      It’s incredible how western propagandists managed to convince people that world’s biggest country with low aging population is on a mission of territorial conquest.

      • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
        88·
        2 years ago

        Putin himself likened himself to Peter the Great, speaking of returning and strengthening once-held territories. Unless you agree with his premise that this land was always Russia, despite the current rulers and wishes of the populations living there, territorial expansion is the only conclusion to his statements.

          • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca
            67·
            2 years ago

            Well, if you have a more accurate source, please share.

            I remember a number of news outlets in various western countries quoting Putin talking about rebuilding the Russian empire, but I didn’t bother to save links because I didn’t think people would glibly deny his stated intentions a couple years later.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
              117·
              2 years ago

              Go to the official Russian transcript that’s published maybe? I love how you keep acting like the only source that exists is out of context quotes in western media.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                  1011·
                  2 years ago

                  You’re the one who brought this up, so why don’t you go look up the whole quote. It’ll be a good experience for you to learn how to actually read information from primary sources. You don’t even have to run it through a translator because Russia publishes official transcripts in english.

  • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
    127·
    2 years ago

    I do still have at least a little hope Ukraine is going to win. A territory does not typically successfully invade another territory a second time. However, I continue to be outspoken for Ukraine. Without aid, Ukraine will probably do what Chechnya is doing and just resort to dirtier tactics, which I’m glad Ukraine is not doing yet.

    • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
      3·
      2 years ago

      What about that time they sneaked bombs onto a civilian lorry and blew him up with his family as he was crossing the bridge out of Crimea?

      • Call me Lenny/Leni@lemm.eeEnglish
        11·
        2 years ago

        Unless my memory is just bad, this is the first I heard about that, though even that is much less dirty than the worst done by Chechnya (or Russia), whose national values I wonder about at this point.

  • ex10n@lemm.ee
    3·
    2 years ago

    Ukraine will continue to fight for what is rightfully theirs. They’ve done an outstanding job so far, and it’s really highlighted the decline of Russian influence on the world stage. Russia is nothing more than a petrodollar fueled aggressor.

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
    129·
    2 years ago

    They will lose either way, but they’d have less debts to paid and less things to rebuild.

    Also Ukraine will benefit from denazification, the ultranationalism pushed by the ukranian nationalists only brings zero-sum situations for Ukraine and its neighbours not just Russia.