Holy shit, micro transactions for fast travel? What the fuck
From a review:
The explorers camping kit is probably the most egregious of the “DLC” So to explain, as you and your pawns battle you take damage, take enough damage and there is a portion of your HP you can’t recover with magic or items. So you’ll either have to go rest at an inn or find a bonfire to set up camp. To make camp you’ll need the camping supplies item, the ones I have found so far are very heavy in weight, which means your party won’t have much space for loot. The explorers camping kit DLC will give you 1 camping supply and make the “explorers camping kit” available to purchase within the in-game shops, and it will be much lighter in weight than the normal camping supplies. Capcom have purposely made the experience far more tedious than it need be in their fully priced AAA game so we would spend the extra money on their quality of life DLC.
Fuck this game.
Wait a minute, hold up, this wasn’t in the game unless you have that?
It is, afaik all the microtransactions are available in game, most of them are even very very easily available. Capcom has been doing this for years in all their games, even Monster Hunter Rise has the character edit voucher bullshit, but people have finally called them out for it.
You can unlock fast travel in game. You can pay to unlock it early.
It’s basically cheat codes as mtx. Doesnt affect the gameplay.
All reviewers were informed that there were going to be microtransactions. Only 2 of 25 reviewers even talked about it in the reviews but both of them said the mtx doesnt have an affect on enjoying the game (the mtx are basically just for people who dont want to play the game as intended)
Cheat codes have long been part of gaming history with. Up up down down…
This is literally “make the Battlefield player pay money to reload their gun.”
I don’t remember it being that bad but in battlefield heroes the weapons and upgrades you unlocked with free points were only temporary (like 2 weeks at a time or something)
The difference is literally nothing in weight. Honestly. This is the biggest non issue. A few potatoes you loot off the ground can weigh more than the difference between the camp you purchase for gold in the first town and the dlc.
If you wanna complain about legitimate issues like frame rate or only one save, that’s fine. But for anyone that’s played the game, the dlc is beyond pointless and not worth this level of outrage.
It’s not about the practicality, it’s the fact that it is there in the first place. Its like to boiling frog, gradually adding slightly more crap with each iteration.
So of course they will not add full pay to win in single players in one shot
You can just use ingame items
“You can just have a significantly worse experience”
People paid $80 or more for this game, basic QoL improvements should not cost 42 real life dollars
It’s the same experience that was in the first game. It’s not worse, it’s the intended experience.
The “intended experience” is worse than the Super Deluxe Golden Platinum Edition experience. Do you really believe they didn’t design this game to incentivise these purchases? For one example, do you really think the fact that they sell rift crystals for real life actual dollars had no impact on their decisions for the cost of hiring pawns? Do you honestly believe that the fact that they sell lighter camping equipment had no impact on how much they made the base game camping equipment weigh? If they think it’s worth a couple dollars to get slightly lighter camping equipment, why didn’t they just reduce the weight of camping equipment?
Do you think that maybe the decision to have one save file per player and the decision to sell a single use character redesign item might be related?
It’s the same system as the first game. They designed the same system. I don’t know what is so hard to understand about this. They added skips for idiots that want to pay extra, but for the rest of us it’s the same damn thing as it was last time.
Honestly, I can’t take the outrage culture of lemmy anymore. It’s made this place unbearable.
Thanks for confirming this, all the rage around this game is exhausting. I loved the first game, would probably place it in my top ten of all time. I have no complaints about omg actually having to traverse the world. It’s the way the game is designed to play. If there are paid workarounds to play it a different way it doesn’t affect me or anybody else who loves this kind of game.
Outrage is a social media staple, it’s not just Lemmy.
They designed the same system, which people complained about the first time around. Like I already said, they added skips for idiots that want to skip the boring parts. If you know that part of your $70 game is so boring that people are willing to pay extra to skip it, just don’t include those parts.
Yeah this should be the standard right here
This echo 64 guy really understands what gamers want. The same fucking system from the last game.
The same system that had the majority of players begging for fast travel. They can blame the players all they want, but the fact remains that the game would be better if I didn’t have to trek from one town to the next again and again and again and again and again. The main story of the first game takes about 32 hours to beat. How many of those hours are spent walking through areas you’ve already been through?
The last game didn’t even have camping, you could just use items to heal past white health instead.
And now you get to pay Money!!!1
It’s not significantly worse, the tent is the only item in the mtx that even has any benefit over the shit available in game. Even the fast travel item you can get the maximum number in-game and need to use a consumable that isn’t even in the mtx every time you want to fast travel to it. This game and it’s devs aren’t the actual issue, it’s the people running Capcom that insist on putting bullshit mtx in every game since the first dragons dogma.
In the case of the tent, the devs are actually the issue. They knew that they were going to sell a lighter tent when they released the game. If you don’t think the existence of a lighter tent that you can pay real life money for had any impact on how much the base game tents weigh, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I did say the tent was the only item with benefit over items in game tbf. That is a shitty mtx yes, but I think Capcom pressures their devs to include mtx in every game which is why you see it in things like Resident Evil and Devil May Cry over the years
Or companies could stop fleecing basic gameplay features that have been a staple of games for many years behind a completely unnecessary pay wall. Somebody wants to use fast travel, give it to them. If they don’t, keep the option available for those who want it.
The fast travel is in the game, the mtx is a placable fast travel point of which you have a limit of 10. All 10 are findable in game and require you to use a limited consumable item that isn’t in the mtx store every time you want to fast travel to it. The mtx are actually comically stupid decision from Capcom because they’re unironically useless if you just play the base game and serve only to drag the games reputation through the mud.
You can buy the ferrystones for gold or loot them. They cost 10k gold. I had over 30k at level 10. Buying them is literally nothing mid to late game. You can also fast travel with carts that let you snooze or fight monsters. They are actually more interesting than ferry stones cause you get exp and loot.
And there’s still no good reason to let that be something you can get with real life money. That’s basically saying “Hey, you just gave us $70 to play our game, but if you think our game is too long for your patience, you can give us more money to play less game.”
You literally can, fast travel is a part of the game. And just like in the first game it’s limited behind an item. It’s is the exact same system the series has had for a decade. Just they let rich idiots skip the system.
Again, it’s the same exact system that was in the first game
They just let rich idiots skip the boring part, you mean. The main story in the first game takes about 32 hours to beat. How many of those hours are spent trekking through areas you’ve already been through before?
That doesn’t make it any better. That’s effectively just making people pay to access developer and cheat codes. I can do that for free in Starfield with the press of a button and a short command.
It’d be like Mortal Kombat coming out and letting people pay real life money to do an easy fatality.
There’s no point for them to do this beyond simple greed. Nothing more.
Its a full price game, it shouldnt have microtransactions
how did we end up in a reality where people are actively defending a 70$ release priced game that is single player AND has micro-transactions. A game like this should be thrown into the garbage and everyone should be unified on that. Like it being single player ALONE should make it so it doesn’t have MT’s but it has both SP and a 70$ price point?
Because enough people shell out money for things we used to get just by purchasing the game.
I’d wager half the current buyers of games nowadays don’t even remember a time before dlc was ever even a thing. So to them this is just what gaming is.
Cause the micro transactions are literally pointless. The only people complaining are the people who haven’t played the game enough to know that NOTHING in the dlc is worth paying for. If you played the game for the first few hours, you’d earn more RC just by killing shit then the highest dlc package offers. Ferrystone are loot or gold. Barber shop costs gold too. Nothing is even that expensive.
The game is LITERALLY exactly like the first game except more content. The micro transactions might as well be called donations.
If you are ok with this, you are naive and not thinking about what will happen next. They will obviously push this bar higher with next game if they feel like it’s acceptable because people didn’t protest enough. Next game you might find yourself having to buy map access because they will say it’s more realistic to play the game without the map, and then add micro transaction for it. Defending and accepting practices like this is basically destroying our gaming future. That’s exactly how we ended up with games like Diablo 4 Micro transactions + 70 euro + paid expansions + battlepass in one game and there are still people defending it.
Dude. I get that. If that was the case here I’d be up in arms too. But it’s not. Not even close. This is the equivalent of complaining that you didn’t get the “Twin Humanities” starting gift in dark souls. It honestly is inconsequential to the experience while playing the game. NOTHING is worth paying for and anyone saying that hasn’t played the long enough to realize that. The game is perfectly playable in every aspect and you miss out on nothing.
It’s not about being worthy or not. It’s about pushing a new status quo of being acceptable to have MTXs on a 70 USD game.
I’m sorry but the whole point is the principle of it, I a consumer, and spending $70 ( which may I add is still at least $10 more MSRP than your typical game) which is single player, which pointlessly requires an internet connection(at least to start the game), has an anti-cheat(well technically an Anti-Tamper) and has microtransactions. The only thing this is missing is a battle pass and you have every aspect that the majority of the game Community hates.
This game is literally the embodiment of corporate greed and people buying the game regardless of that and saying “oh the microtransactions are able to be obtained in game anyway” are just eating the corporate “shit-pie”.
Yarrrrr. There be no such troubles on the high seas
Is there a cracked version floating around yet?
Denuvo, so no
Also no empress, so not for some time
Y’all still preordering video games? I thought we had talked about this.
I have zero sympathy for those who got scammed. Actually, I think this whole thing is kinda hilarious.
You just have to bringt up an infinitesimal amount of self control. Don’t preorder. And you failed. Again.
Last game I pre-ordered was Diablo 3. You might know why that was the last time I did that.
I always remember cartman about pre-orders. All you get is a big dick on your mouth
Currently, the shill /u/TimLovesTech@BadAtBeing.social makes up 22 of the 116 comments in this thread and all are baselessly defending this game
If you have an opinion, /u/TimLovesTech@BadAtBeing.social doesn’t want to hear it and will tell you you’re wrong
I refunded it because it ran like shit. This just makes me even sadder.
It is shocking how many people there are in this thread that try to downplay this. And the sad thing is, most if not all of them arent getting paid a dime to shill.
Not really normal people though, it’s a PR team.
I don’t care if they’re for stuff that easily obtainable, I don’t care that all of the other capcom games have been doing it too, I don’t care that its a fun game. $70 and having ANY MTX is bullshit.
I am a FIRM believer that a quality product will net you more sales than any cheap tricks will and if you really come out with a banger then you always have the option to add a MEANINGFUL DLC addition down the line, instead of content you made at the same time you made the base game and just decided to wall off and “release” later.
Tbh, I kinda get both sides here. The precedent thats unfolding, not even being set, since this isnt the first game to do so, is bad enough to stain the game and be worth being pissed about. But also, since the entire game can be enjoyed ignoring the DLC even exists, its a fun enough game in a slightly more niche category that its also worth ignoring the precedent
edit: Aside from the nuance part of things. I personally am not super bothered by the precedent because I’ve sworn off AAA games for at least a decade now. The precedent that games of that investment level are going to use any shitty psychological trick to drain as much of that investment back from you has long been already set. An AAA game now has to prove its worth buying to me at this point, and my gaming experience has actually improved because we are currently in a golden era of Indie games anyways.
