This is something that bothers me. I see EVs as future and a next step in car evolution, but why all of them have to be connected? Why most people don’t have problem with it? I’m not talking about Chinese cars, but all of them.
20 years ago if you would say a car could be hacked one would laugh and say that this only happens in sci-fi movies, now this is a reality. And that’s not the only threat, there’s a huge implication with privacy. Why people are so not caring about it?
I think it’s simply that there’s not much we can do about it
How many people use smart devices? On the door, tv, Alexia? People “want” to be hacked.
They don’t “all” have to be connected, the vast majority of available global models aren’t (IE a lot of the affordable Indian/Chinese models).
The vast majority of models sold in the USA are IE Tesla. More affordable models like the Renault Zoe afaik aren’t but I’m not sure how accessible these are in the USA. I’m not sure about the Chevvy Volt tbh… Consumers can purchase to buy a non-connected vehicle.
Out of the EVs I have I mostly use the one that is connected so I can do automations to turn on climate control etc. Connectivity is a convenience/safety thing for me and I assume others…
Chevy doesn’t make the Volt anymore and stopped making the Bolt. They are cutting off android auto and apple carplay to make you pay a subscription just like Tesla and Rivian. You can not pay for their connection service and just use those services with Ford and Hyundai I think but beyond that we’re talking extremely niche EVs.
Tesla is the market trend in the US and all of the EVs in the US are trying for that tablet in a hospital waiting room vibe.
Obviously the whole security threat thing is just BS to justify restricting trade. You’re really not allowed to restrict trade under wto rules unless it’s a national security concern. It makes sense that the US would want to protect its industry but, it’s really infuriating that the US, the country that thrust neoliberalism free trade policies down developing countries throats, sometimes by force, now wants to do protectionism. Many developing economies growth was hampered and their economic ability to met their own needs to spiked into the ground by American coercion and sometimes violence. It further goes to show that the powerful countries really just do whatever the fuck they want often at the detriment of weaker nations.
They did the same to Huawei and lots followed. This has nothing to do with security and all to do with preventing China’s leap ahead of US as a global economic technology powerhouse
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It’s not Huawei’s fault that outdated IP restrictions in the west put western companies at a disadvantage and slow innovation.
Hahahaha that’s quite the euphemism for stealing everything they could get their grubby capitalist hands on
Copying isn’t stealing, but nice try.
When one group puts all the time, money, and effort into researching, discovering, and designing something, and another yoinks it for free, what do you call that?
Using? It’s definitely not stealing since no one was deprived of anything.
It seems like the “cars tracking you” problem is a very real and very serious thing that should obviously be legislated separately of electric vehicles or country of manufacture.
I got a Mazda recently, and I was reading all the ownership paperwork, and the guy asked me what I was looking for. I said “I’m looking for the language about what data Mazda is collecting about me.” And the guy laughed and said there’s nothing in the paperwork about that. They just do it. You can’t shut it off.
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Amazon did a thing where if your wifi is down Alexa can connect to a neighbors Alexa which will relay the message to the server.
I imagine a car could do the same much easier, you pull up to the lights next to a car from the same manufacturer and it relays all your telemetrics.
It’s time for an open source car.
So now I’m wondering what happens with new (or connected used) cars sold in California. Does CCPA have any teeth here?
Tesla is also a security risk like all others
Do American next.
Yeah fair I am sure there is almost as much sketchy shit in Chinese electric cars as American ones, I just can’t find the fucks to care compared to the threat of ecological and agricultural collapse from climate change.
Like seriously I know it’s more satisfying and intriguing to talk security, technology, software and geopolitics but really who gives a fuck. Literally none of this even remotely matters next to the existential emergency that is climate change.
So sure, cheap Chinese electric cars lets go who cares honestly, we don’t have the damn time to focus on making this into a Cold War Tom Clancy novel before we run out of shit like clean water to drink.
If you care about climate change, then you would be anti-car period. Biden is 100% correct here (but not for the reasons he thinks,) cars are a security threat.
and if you were a true Scotsman you would be wearing a kilt and not those PANTS
Let the US lock itself from the world, that should work.
Best possible thing that could happen going forward.
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You actually believe this? Two words: Belt and Road.
Soon you’ll find out that the West is not the world and it is the one isolating itself.
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You are thinking of the infrastructure in your country.
What cope-based media are you getting this from?
Your imperial core chauvanism is showing. It is the Global North which is isolating itself.
China is deeply integrated with the Global South, which is the majority of the the world’s people, industrial capacity, and natural resources.
The Statesman: The West versus the Rest
Geopolitical Economy Report: ‘Western dominance has ended’, EU foreign-policy chief admits, warning of ‘West against the Rest’ geopolitics
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We’re in the middle of a technological cold war.
EV’s are bad for the American OPEC monopoly
5G, garlic, cars…
I know this may seem like an unusual concept to capitalist America, but having more competitors drives down prices.
Low prices aren’t always a good thing. Especially for the working class when those low prices are on imported goods that replace the products these workers used to make. I thought we already learned that neoliberal policies aren’t so hot for workers.
No one has learned anything. The people who knew outsourcing was anti-worker were proven correct, but it didn’t matter.
This pure projection. America spies through everything they sell. So they assume that everyone else is doing the same.
Industry competition: a threat
Deteriorating mental condition of leadership:
not a threatwhat was I talking about again?
“We need to reduce carbon emissions!”
“No not like that!”
Haha. It’s just silly. I know nothing about the actual story.
Ah yes, because electric vehicles collect so much more data than your standard vehicles, they essentially are the same thing just different engine. Ever look at the data OnStar collects even apperently without an account? Ever look at the privacy policy the infotainment system has you agree to once or twice a month? it’s scary.
how about just pass legislation that a foreign country cannot collect data on a vehicle in the US if we are that scared of it
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The backdoors were inserted for law enforcement use into carrier equipment like base stations, antennas and switching gear, the Journal said, with US officials reportedly alleging they were designed to be accessible by Huawei.
There’s a basic principle here that I think the US doesn’t understand: there is no such thing as a backdoor only for one group. Any equipment with backdoors is inherently insecure. The US dug their own grave and they’re blaming Huawei for selling the shovels.
