“Nuclear-weapon states should negotiate and conclude a treaty on no-first-use of nuclear weapons against each other or make a political statement in this regard,” Sun said.
China and India are currently the only two nuclear powers to formally maintain a no first use policy. Russia and the United States have the world’s biggest nuclear arsenals.
I’m all for countries vowing not to use nuclear weapons first, but what is the point of a treaty? If a country does use nuclear weapons first, I think other countries are going to be less concerned about breaking the treaty and more concerned about WW3 and Armageddon. And given that both the US and Russia have shown scant regard for treaties in recent years with major changes to policy, surely the treaty wouldn’t be worth the paper it’s printed on.
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It takes a lot of people to launch a nuke. While missile operators are trained to act quickly, they are also drilled hard on adherence to policy. A 94% on the test for that policy is a failing grade.
And while I think you’re very right to not trust the US or Russia to adhere to treaties, if said treaty requires that training policies and doctrine reflect the no first strike stance, that would mean a whole lot of people would have to be willing to violate that treaty in order to launch first. Heck, there’s been incidents during the Cold War where a single person’s hesitancy to follow approved launch policy has averted total nuclear war.
I think a treaty and accompanying training and doctrine could create sufficient barriers to make a nuclear first strike far less likely, though, of course, not impossible. But that alone seems like a worthwhile thing to pursue.
Last I remember, USA was the only country to have abused nukes against Japan, and later USA and UK sent nuclear ships to nuke India (Russia helped save us from those white devils). USA also supplied banned clusterbombs to NATO proxy Ukraine, which they used against Russia. Russia neither used nukes nor banned weapons.
That is obviously fake news the libs and MAGAs told me Chyyyyna bad!
Folks, very smart people are saying it. I talk to CEOs, generals, every day they tell me. They tell me China is a problem, they say “we’ve got a problem with China. We’ve gotta do something about China.” Everybody’s saying it. That’s what they tell me.
Should have thrown in a “I’m a very stable genius” somewhere.
While I don’t think it bears much on how reasonable it is to suggest nuclear powers agree to never strike first, China’s arsenal is uniquely well designed for this kind of strategy. They employ zero static sites, unlike the US and Russia, relying on mobile launchers, subs and bombers. This makes them tactically poised for a retaliatory strike as they don’t have as much of the risk of losing their launch sites in a first strike. The US doctrine of preliminary strike in the event a nuclear attack seems likely is designed to protect their ability to launch at all.
While this kind of treaty would be slightly “advantageous” to China, it’s only because they set up their nuclear arsenal with this far more reasonable and less aggressive strategy in mind from the get go while Russia and the US would have to adapt and convert their arsenal.
because they set up their nuclear arsenal with this far more reasonable and less aggressive strategy
Yes.
This is sensible and thus it won’t happen
It’s China. Literally nothing they do can be sensible to dumbfuck Americans, it goes against their nationalistic exceptionalism and false propaganda.
It’s China. They’ve lied and deceived about many things and should not be trusted.
Unlike the US
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No this is about hypocrical apologists for a hypocritical nation being hypocritical… That’s you and the US, just in case you were wondering
So you agree that China is the hypocrite? Great.
Yes. As is the US
But the US is not signing the treaty.
So?
Like? Or is this another propaganda piece from Vatican or CIA or Brussels or Washington or London or Vienna?
Agreements? Concentions? Those never get broken.
Geneva anyone?
I can tell if China is worried about current Russia or a future US under Trump.
This is directed to the US, UK, France, and Pakistan.
China and india already have no-first-use policies. Russia inherited one from the USSR, which was dissolved when the west coup’d them and immiserated their people. Russia’s lack of a no-first-use policy is directed at the guys who represent an existential threat to them.
“Russia makes constant nuclear threats and doesn’t have a no first use policy, but it’s totally entirely the fault and moral obligation of the us. Totes definitely.”
lol
Russia makes far fewer nuclear threats than the US who flies stealth bombers right up to the border of North Korea every year and is developing new ICBMs.
But yes Russia’s nuclear policy, including their revocation of no-first-use in the 90s is in response to the US’s actions.
The current situation is especially ironic because Yeltsin, the guy who executed the coup and burned parliament, and removed the No-First-Use policy, and Putin, were both picked by the US.
Fewer nuclear threats, lmao.
Names a different country and dismisses explicit nuclear escalations, lmao
Names someone who is not currently leader of Russia, and hasn’t been for 24 years, lmao
Imagines that the Soviet Union didn’t have internal issues except those caused by the us, lmao
This is your brain on tankie. “The nuclear power has no agency to make better choices whatsoever, how could the west do this”
Gosh why do I just not feel bad for poor ol putin here? Real head scratcher.
Lmao.
I am explaining history and context of Russia’s no-first-use policy and the specific instances that caused them to change it and how the leaders who changed it remain in power. You are dismissing it because I am not starting and ending at “russia bad, does bad things”
The nuclear power isn’t making worse choices, they’re responding to external and internal circumstances.
You’re coddling a nuclear power by claiming it’s entirely subject to evil us pressures. They could have implemented a no first use policy any time in the past 20 years just fine, but they haven’t.
I’m dismissing you because your points are wildly silly and blatantly have an agenda to paint Russia as a victim of external forces. Russia is a big boy country, they can implement a simple policy.
Don’t worry, the us could too.
PS, every single country in the world is responding to external and internal pressures.
They could have implemented a no first use policy any time in the past 20 years just fine, but they haven’t.
Do you think the pressures to maintain a nuclear deterrent against a conventional NATO invasion as more countries joined NATO and NATO leveled half a dozen countries over the last 20 years has increased or decreased?
Note that much of the former USSR, including Russia has not fully recovered in the last 30 years, and NATO has only expanded while denying Russia’s attempts to join.
every single country in the world is responding to external and internal pressures.
You have failed to internalize this, hence why you feel like I am dodging or misleading when I discuss such pressures instead of ending my analysis at <insert enemy of america> bad.
This would be a mixed bag because it could open the door on more conventional wars since it would left the threat of MAD.
China and India are the only responsible players on the world stage and it shows.
Cojncidentally, they’re also the two nuclear-armed countries who have been involved in the fewest conflicts, and who’s conflicts have been resolved the most quickly.
Also, they have been fighting each other without guns.
I do not think that sounds as bad as you sound.
I fail to see the point of such a treaty. This planet isn’t surviving a nuclear war long enough to hold anyone accountable over it anyway.
this is largely symbolic, it doesnt change anything
