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Nope. This cartoon is horseshit.
Yeah. Look at any dev job listing and it’s all “Python, C++, or Java experience preferred”
Perhaps as the new hotness to web devs, but Python was a mainstay in science way before Django.
For about the first five years of its life, it was eclipsed by Perl. That’s about it. I don’t think anything will ever unseat Python as too many people’s first and last language.
Surely not in the immediate future, but there will surely be a day when Python dies. Remember that BASIC filled that role for far too long.
BASIC was meant as a teaching language. Python is a real language that’s simple enough to be a teaching language. It also runs the same dialect on every machine, which BASIC never did.
Being the second best language at everything, it gets used for everything because people don’t want to learn the first best in any given niche. Python isn’t the best choice for numeric applications, but with NumPy, it’s adequate, so why bother learning R? Even if you knew R already, you’re going to run into a lot of Python code for that domain from other people. You’ll be swimming against the current, and why bother?
Python will die when the sun does.
You have absolutely no idea how much business code has been written in VB.
Or COBOL.
No language truly dies, while Capitalism exists.
I do know, but that’s off to the side of BASIC in general. In fact, VB syntax is barely recognizable as BASIC.
Python is one of my primary languages (the other one being Rust). But it honestly isn’t the easiest language to teach - I’m saying this from experience. There are so many concepts at play - name binding, iterators, generators, exception chains, context managers, decorators, … . I could go on and on. Teaching becomes hard because any basic question could become a journey into the rabbit hole of python semantics.
Python is, however, a good first language for self learners. (Note: teaching vs learning). Python behaves intuitively. It’s designed in such a way that if you guess something about the language, you’ll probably be right.
Being the
secondtenth best language at everythingFTFY
Python is the language of choice for most test automation
If I can’t do it as a Bash one-liner, I’m using Python
subprocess.Popen(["bash one-liner"], stdout=PIPE, stderr-PIPE, text=True)["bash", "one-liner"]
I use perl, but everyone hates me and would rather rewrite my little scripts in python than bother changing a single line
You’re right, everyone hates you.
😔
The good news is that you can stop using Perl at any time.
For quick data parsing you’ll have to pry it from my cold dead hands im afraid
Grug use go because it easier, faster, and compiles to share with friends of Grug
Maybe when 3.0 was new and created all sorts of incompatibilities with 2.x
Nah, Python 2.7 got way more support than it ever deserved because people just refused to switch to 3. Hell, people were starting new python projects on 2 after 3 came out.
Yesterday I would have argued that with the rails framework Ruby is a great way to rapidly develop a scalable application. Today I started having an intermittent failure in one of my API instances and when searching about it the only thing I could find was one obscure blogpost that boiled down to “yeah sometimes Ruby Ave active record just screws up the character set off a string” exact same string, different results. Excuse me Ruby? How the fuck can you sometimes screw up a character set? There should be no sometimes to any thing here.
Haven’t Spring Boot in Kotlin with jib and cloud integration caught upto this in terms of development speed?
I mean I’ve been using ActiveRecord for the last 20 ish years and I’ve never encountered or even heard of this bug. Sounds like you came across an especially obscure one.
I spent a few years with Ruby, and my experience is that Ruby and Rails couldn’t be more different in terms of programming approach, philosophy, and nature. I don’t trust Rails fully, but I do trust Ruby.
As a Rails engineer with 14 years experience, I can say the place that should be in the 3rd panel is Shopify. They employ so many ruby and rails core committers and directly fund a good many rails gems, and ruby community infrastructure it’s insane. They’re also directly funding the development of things like the YJIT and speed enhancements to MRI itself.
Then there’s all the other places I know or worked at built on Ruby where my other long tenured ruby friends work.
- Gusto
- Airbnb
- Clearbit
- Stripe
- Github
- Gitlab
- Bold Penguin
Ruby was recommended to me by my comparative programming languages professor. I haven’t picked it up, but there were memes that this professor was so good at programming he was secretly built by the university in C++ to teach students how to write better code.
It’s worth learning Ruby to understand some of the tricks you can do in programming languages.
Did your prof also recommend others like Lisp?
Aha asks for Ruby on rails experience in their job listings, so they must be using it as well
Basecamp
So I know it’s supposed to be an arm, but those language be dummy thicc
One of the most known programming tool is built on Ruby, Github.
And it’s a pile of shit.
git is great. GitHub blows chunks. The only reason it’s still big is that it sucks less than any other single platform.
RoR is too much magic for me. Getting started with any new code base is such a pain that I never want to do again. As a manager, I’ll avoid any job post that mentions Ruby. I have maintained projects written in Delphi, Centura, Java, C#, PHP and none of them even come close to the pain of RoR. Java and C# are notorious for ceremonial interfaces but that’s nothing compared to trying to figure out RoR automagics.
There is a lot of magic in Java. Try Spring Boot for example, and things magically connect together with annotations, or somehow methods get injected onto interface on the fly, or an http interface maps onto a function with parameters because the runtime is doing it. This is most evident when you set a break point in some class and there might be 4 or 5 mystery functions it passed through between it and where you thought it was calling from. Sl4j, Lombok, Hibernate are doing the same kind of thing.
Maybe in enterprises settings what you say makes sense, but for the small to medium startups I usually work for, RoR is great. It’s super easy to prototype and switch lanes. If I had to do what I do in Java I’d go insane. As for Delphi…
The RoR “magic” being obtuse is extremely exaggerated most of the time and more meme than reality. If you think PHP is better, by which I guess you mean Laravel, how on earth is that less “magical”? React? Next? I’ll take Ruby any day.
React can go fuck itself with a pineapple, fuck that piece of shit. Every project I’ve had to deal with that used React was an absurdly bloated mess because it imported fuckloads of React plugins and addons.
Oh. I didn’t know react had its own supply-chain sploit risk. T-I-L
Hey Ruby debs, lookup Elixir. It’s supposedly similar syntax but run on the Erlang VM instead. Lots of cool companies use it, and a great community. 🤗
I’ve written a non-trivial amount of Elixir. It’s nice, but I wouldn’t say it’s like Ruby. It’s more heavily functional, and it wants you to work with data in an immutable way. If you’re coming from a language that doesn’t force immutability, then you’ll be miserable until you get your head around how to work that way.
I really like it, though. Especially now that it’s getting optional typing.
Elixir is an awesome language. It takes some getting used to as it’s meant to be more functional like Haskell, but it plays really nicely with big parallel workloads and is super clean to write
I had to learn Fortran for my thesis because it’s the industry standard in particle physics
Physics changes with retirements. FORTRAN should received it’s gold watch and shown the door about 20 years ago now.
There’s no distinct generations of either physicists or codes that all retire at the same time
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How long ago? ROOT (and other frameworks like GEANT) using C++ has been the standard for over 15 years, but probably longer. I think my advisor was of the last generation that had to write in Fortran.
Currently lmao. I’m using those tools as well but some specific event generators I’m using are in Fortran still
the last generation to write FORTRAN
runs to look out window
My God is the sun turning into a red giant?!
Oh no, whew, that’s a relief! Guess the FORTRAN programmers will be relevant for a little longer too then.
(As a .NET dev, I wish some languages (or versions of languages) would die but i really think once code has been written it never goes away!)
[COBOL has entered the chat.]
Capitalism will never let a programming language die, if it’s still less expensive than an alternative.
A lot of COBOL programs are still running to this day.
I would say wordpress over Facebook for php
Is PHP becoming irrelevant? It still comprises the vast majority of web pages out there. Maybe that has been going down but with he amount of competing languages and systems out there, that is to be expected.
Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now
PHP is horrible, I hate it, and I will not elaborate. Good day, sir.
Well that is an excellent argument if I ever heard one…
I said good day sir!
Good day to you too, how have you been?
Not too bad. Just chillin’. How 'bout you?
Very fine! Nice cool day today.
Either way, it’s an awesome language, happily been using it for decades now
Mind taking a moment to share why you like it? I am not very familiar with it.
Quite early on the eyes, powerful, fast to build and rolk out projects, about. A billion libraries with all the functions you’ll ever need. People both about it because it has some language quirks from way back in the beginning, I see it as stability. I don’t know how node is now but I remember a few years back where every bug fix came accompanied not only by 10 new bugs but also a bunch of interface changes that immediately broke everything. Every. Single. Damn. Time.
Having said that, it under very active development and has been majorly improved over the years. Dumb design choices are no long available and right now it’s quite easy to work securely with it.
Beyond the “but these two functions should have similar naming but they don’t!” argument, that with a good editor doesn’t matter anyway, there isn’t really a good argument out there not to use it.
Depends on how you’re judging relevance.
93% of webpages could be PHP because of Wordpress, but that doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a lot of PHP developers.
If that hypothetical 93% is WordPress, there’s still a huge demand for PHP developers to maintain that and the plugins and so
Perhaps it was before Facebook came along
Wikimedia, WordPress, Drupal…
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Goddammit, I’m feeling for an anthropomorphic programming language that I don’t even know.
Those hentai games and visual novel games still keeping ruby lang relevant tho, rpgmaker game engine is one of examples
I think the two newest, MV and MZ, have switched to Javascript. Also, Ren’py is the only visual novel engine I can think of, which is based on Python.
It’s easier to code in python one handed then it is codeing in C
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Not anymore
QUANTUM COMPUTING
Emacs enters the chat.
Emacs unfortunately uses Emacs lisp, not common lisp or scheme.
There was that one attempt to rewrite Emacs in cl
And that didn’t work? I would have thought it would be quite popular.
I think that Emacs itself was mostly implemented, but they couldn’t get people to rewrite all of their user generated content.
Oh, right. That makes sense.
What are the main differences?
Emacs is a bunch older than common lisp.
One of its more idiosyncratic design decisions was using dynamic scope, rather than lexical scope. They did add in per-file lexical scope, though.
It also just doesn’t implement a lot of common lisp’s standard library.
Enterprise will keep the withered husk of Java EE crawling for eternity
Medicine too.
An instrument in my lab is running jdk 1_8_131…and this is a recent/newish piece of equipment.
Ruby -> Rails.
It just hasn’t had a second revival.
