Israeli rappers call for death of Dua Lipa, Bella Hadid and Mia Khalifa
www.independent.co.uk
‘Every dog will get what’s coming to them’, the artists rap
  • bl4ckblooc@lemmy.world
    20016·
    2 years ago

    Can we stop acting like Israel is fucking normal? This shit doesn’t even happen in the US.

    • adam_y@lemmy.worldEnglish
      816·
      2 years ago

      “This shit doesn’t even happen in the US”

      Ok, Trump aside, do you remember the US response to the 9-11 attacks?

      Israel is bang out of order, but it doesn’t help that the groundwork for dealing with “terrorists” on a global scale was laid by the US.

      Remember renaming French fries to “Freedom Fries” because the French dared to oppose the invasion of Iraq, a country that had very little to do with the terrorist act?

      • Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world
        296·
        2 years ago

        Dutch guy here. We had our own 9/11 event when Russians shot MH17 out of the air which contained 200 Dutch people. You know what we did? We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil. No kids were harmed in the process (apart from those on the plane). Israel’s response of collective punishment is bad shit crazy!

        • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world
          13·
          2 years ago

          As a Dutch guy, I’m also very glad that we’re sending weapons to Ukraine.

          You know why? Because we DO have a score to settle. I hope our guns, ammo and fighter jets kill as many Russians as possible.

          The Netherlands would never go to war over MH17. But every single dead Russian killed with our weapons will be a delight to many.

        • hydrospanner@lemmy.world
          820·
          2 years ago

          We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil.

          Sounds like you did absolutely nothing

      • jonne@infosec.pub
        15·
        2 years ago

        You would think that someone would look at the last 20 years of war on terror and conclude that maybe you shouldn’t handle it the way the US did.

        • XeroxCool@lemmy.world
          42·
          2 years ago

          Or look at it and realize you can get away with it, even if it’s a sloppy war because the citizens don’t care if they lose as long as the other side still dies

          • jonne@infosec.pub
            3·
            2 years ago

            The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were never particularly popular (especially when they dragged on for years). It’s just that the political class doesn’t care about what the people want.

            • XeroxCool@lemmy.world
              12·
              2 years ago

              Look at why it was unpopular. Everyone agreed it was bad for troops. Most believed it was a mistake to go at all, but a sizable portion believed it was the tactic that was wrong, that the war should have started and ended on the same day with nukes.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
      223·
      2 years ago

      I wish I could agree, but we’ve got some fucked up shit top the country music charts from time to time.

      • bl4ckblooc@lemmy.world
        13·
        2 years ago

        That’s what I meant; sure there may have been songs with this stuff in them but they rarely become if ever have become hits. Usually it’s a career killer.

  • Gerudo@lemm.ee
    1187·
    2 years ago

    Why is it so fucking hard for the U.S. to see Israel for what it is. I mean, as an agnostic I know exactly why, but I still have to ask my country why we can’t call out genocide when we can fucking see it?

    It’s like sitting on the sidelines of the holocaust and just saying…well…we have interests in that region, so let’s hold on a minute.

    • Aceticon@lemmy.world
      239·
      2 years ago

      If there is one thing this whole affair is bringing up in the West is just how extremelly racist even the people who loudly proclaim themselves as “progressives” really are.

      You see it when they pull out the anti-semite card to try and bat away criticism of Israel: even if Israel indeed represented all Jews (itself a racist assumption because it presumes “all Jews are the same and think the same”), the etnicity of the people mass murdering civilians because of their etnicity, having any weight on ones judgment of their actions is incredibly racist (of the “different weights for different races” kind).

      Personally what I see is people who never stopped being prejudiced racists who judge people on their etnicity rather than their actual actions, only some etnic groups became less fashionable to overly be racist against whilst others did not - the architecture of racism is still well in place and in use, it’s just that for certain etnicities the prejudices changed.

      • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
        127·
        2 years ago

        How on earth did you come up with the idea that this is a progressive thing? It’s overwhelmingly conservatives and neoliberals using the “anti-Semitism” charge in defense of genocide.

        • Aceticon@lemmy.world
          31·
          2 years ago

          Anybody that goes on and on about how people in some groups defined by the genetics they were born with are victims or are aggressors, is using the very same framework of prejudiced treatment as the far right.

          Fair treatment is to classify people as victims or aggressors by those people having actually been victims or having victimized others and then help the former and stop and punish the latter. Not only is it wholly irrelevant the etnicity of the people involved (unless the people who victimized others did so due to the etnicity of said others, in which case they should be punished extra hard, IMHO) but it’s also massivelly unfair to paint a wide brush over everybody else who happens to have been born with the same genetics as either because of the actions of just those.

          There is no such thing as Positive Prejudice: if you’re judging people differently because of their etnicity, you’re being unfair, even if you are judging them more positivelly than you would otherwise.

          Successive ultra-nationalist and ever more far-right governments of Israel weaponized the “positive” prejudice of many towards Jews, and this is why we find ourselves were we are now: because complete total murderous racist sociopaths hid being this whole etnic group and committed ever more hideous acts of violent racism whilst avoiding punishment for it by taking advantage of people who still run around thinking in the very same mental framework of discrimination as the Nazis had - with a different list of “good” etnicities and “bad” etnicities in their minds than said Nazis, but still judging and behaving towards others differently depending on their etnicity.

          • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
            31·
            2 years ago

            What does any of this have to do with misuse of “antisemitism”? Progressives are best defined by their opposition to wealth inequality, so how is any of this on them? If you think progressives in the US are too soft, that’s fine, but they are certainly better on wealth inequality than the conservatives and neoliberals.

            • Aceticon@lemmy.world
              11·
              2 years ago

              Well, not being in the US, most exposure I’ve had to self-proclaimed “Progressives” is British neoliberals (mainly the New Labour types).

              If “progressives” are indeed against wealth inequality (what in other countries is just called “being leftwing”), maybe it’s as somebody else said that it’s just that the people I’ve mainly run across claiming to be “progressives” were just liberals.

    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
      12·
      2 years ago

      It’s America’s lost cause fallacy overseas. Somehow there’s a chunk of the population that seems to overlook the reality of what’s happening and attribute it to Israel’s desire to exist when the reality is it wants to pursue its apartheid and genocide.

    • TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
      83·
      2 years ago

      Because the United States is genocidal and proto-fascist too. Where do you think Israel learned it? And before you go “not us,” think about how Israeli’s don’t recognize their fascism.

  • danekrae@lemmy.world
    758·
    2 years ago

    “in a song which has shot to the top of charts in Israel.”

    Tell me again about how the government and Hamas are the bad guys, and the Israeli people only want peace.

    They’re not listening to Matisyahu - One Day anymore that’s for sure…

    • WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
      2·
      2 years ago

      Really good video. Going into my saved posts to show other people. Who is the speaker? Sounds like he was a reporter or something since he asked the former prime minister a question?

  • sativacat@lemmy.world
    23·
    2 years ago

    Wait isn’t this song from months ago? But this is the first time I’m seeing it pointed out that it calls for killing these three women