I feel like I’ve been gaslit into running FOSS but every success only brings me closer to fighting god
Reddit death > installing mint on my second PC > realising I can run most of the games I play and installing mint on my main PC > start learning Rust as a first foray into programming in a long time > realise I want to go back to uni and study info tech to get out of my shitty marketing job > get a shitty second hand laptop off my parents that struggles to run windows and install endeavourOS to try something different.
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
It ends when you open vim. There’s no escape.
Having no escape is a very big problem if you want to use Vim…
It never ends
The next step, you’re handwriting a fixit code because said ancient one off laptop won’t compile linux from scratch properly and some stupid piece of essential hardware is blocking your efforts to get to the shell first time.
You still have yet to get through some pis, then a couple of OSX boxes, a Windows VM on proxmox or when you find something in particular you want that’s easier in that direction. Then move into kubernetes.
You’ll end up with a couple of everything living their best life.
Next you want to rewrite everything in Rust.
Watch out Boy! It’s a dangerous drug; it’s called Curiosity 🙂
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
Given that you’re learning Rust, probably getting programming socks and a Blahaj, and then…
My slippery slope started with buying an old laptop off my company and deciding to install Ubuntu on it. Now all of my devices run Linux, I switched to Android with a FOSS ROM, degoogled myself in almost every way, and I run Nextcloud on an old laptop. Feels great to really own my devices and data.
I already ran Linux when the API blew up but now I’m a girl…
Linux gals are best gals
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I tried Ubuntu in college and people told me it was a phase… joke’s on them.
queen behaviour
One of us! One of us!
Your post couldn’t be more true. Decades ago I was sold on MythTV, this PVR software but it only ran on Linux and you had to compile it yourself. So I gave Linux and MythTV a shot. As it turned out, both MythTV and early desktop Linux were a buggy, frustrating mess. X broke all the time. Incomprehensible, ungoogleable compile errors all the time.
I spent so much time troubleshooting MythTV and compilation problems that I ended up learning Linux inside and out and the C programming language to be able understand the compile errors. I went on to lead a major open source project and have had a long career as a programmer, using all the knowledge I gained that started with fighting MythTV.
what’s the project you lead?
I don’t want to dox myself so I’d rather not say, but it was some time ago and I’m no longer leading that project. I do still do development in the same field though!
what project
In 2018 I went to research why all the sites wanted my cookies so much, today I’m a free software adovocate and a Marxist
This is the way…?
The answer seeker to leftist pipeline is real!!!1!11!
I don’t run Linux (though I’m admittedly more interested in it than I used to be) but the reddit API stuff definitely made me learn more about foss, and value it more.
I do value FOSS sodtware and like linux for it being foss(there are many other reasons too though). I do think understanding importance of Free software is much important than admiring one of the(most important) free software projects. I can see yku usibg linux soon or later in the future, along with other free programs
I think maybe I’m misunderstanding—are you saying that valuing free software is more important than valuing FOSS? FOSS is inherently free, no? Free Open Source Software. I would understand if I was talking about open source in general, but FOSS does include being free. Maybe that’s not what you meant.
Sorry I mean valuing foss/free ideology rather than just one of such software called linux.
Ah, I understand
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coughDebiancough
😁
Isn’t that the least updated of the above choices? (if you run stable)
I’m just getting in on the fun.
Everyone should run Kali. 🤪
Debian testing is the way (perhaps haven’t tried it but I’m intrigued to know the experience) 🤔
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Mint to Arch?
That’s like saying: “ok now that you have driven your for first car for a few weeks it’s time to fly your first plane. Good luck.”
Mint to Manjaro so you can still claim you’re on arch btw but cling onto your sanity until Manjaro devs inevitability break something
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I’ve never used snaps and never been forced to use them.
“been forced” part is definitely true for Firefox and Thunderbird packages. Snap packages takes precedence over deb package, if I remember it correctly.
It is difficult to switch out the Firefox snap for the deb. If you install anything from the easy-to-use software store it’ll be a snap.
I’m glad I know my way around the terminal tools
Best way is to add Mozilla deb repo,IMO.
The deb is in the Ubuntu repositories by default.
But I just installed Firefox with apt-get. Fairly certain it doesn’t install the snap version that way.
Can you check if you already have Mozilla deb repo setup on your ubuntu installation?
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I got pissed off at Google Photos, which led me down a self-hosting rabbit hole. Ended up installing Linux everywhere, even my “gaming” one eventually (I do development, and WSL was a resource hog).
The hardest thing to degoogle has been email - I’ve used the same address for years. But I use Thunderbird so at least I don’t have to see ads in my fucking inbox
There are ads in Gmail?
I guess I’ve been using ad blockers for far too long…
Yes… They don’t seem to show up in the primary tab, but they’re there nonetheless. Nowhere is safe, and nothing is sacred.
If you’re seeing ads, install an ad blocker. I haven’t seen a Gmail ad in well over a decade.
I DO have an ad blocker. I still ended up seeing an ad, that one time. It might’ve been on mobile. Or I might have had my ad block turned off. Either way, I’ve gone out of my way to make sure I never see an ad in my email again. Used mobile devtools to uninstall the Gmail client, Firefox with uBlock add-on, etc…
Thry are also apparently using the tab configuration.
I quite like Proton mail it’s secure and the interface is pretty damn good
May I recommend Proton Mail? I used gmail for years then decided to finally switch and it was easier than I thought, tho tbf I also don’t have a lot of people who need to email me, it was mostly services where it’s easier to tell them to switch over to the other mail.
EDIT: I read your later comment nvm
I’ll have to check it out! Same here, mostly services on my end - but I’ve accumulated enough of them to make it tiresome. Still, I’ll have to do it at some point
What are you using instead of Google Photos?
I’m the other way round, email was the first thing I degoogled. It’s Photos I don’t know how to replace.
“The project is under very active development. Expect bugs and changes. Do not use it as the only way to store your photos and videos!”
I’m aware :) really, anyone that backs up anything at all shouldn’t be using ONE THING for backups.
Personally, I use it to “sync” photos from my phone to my computer. I run nightly backups via a cron script.
Still, can’t say I’ve had any issues so far
ente.io is OK.
You could switch to proton mail and synchronize the gmail account to proton, saves the hassle 👍
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
Yes, FOSS will allow you to fight God.
But you will have to assemble him first.
If we are in a simulation it means God is the ascended version of a gigantic Linux server
fight or find?
I guess you’d need to find him first if you want to fight him? I think TempleOS is also FOSS in case you want to find god without fighting him.
If you ever get bored of Ubuntu. You could try fedora kde, the recent versions are so good.
Don’t forget to install codecs though.
That’s exactly what I did haha, started with Kubuntu and moved to Fedora
I run Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop machines but I’m seriously considering switching to Debian (which I run on my server). Any reason I wouldn’t want to do that on my desktop or laptop?
(Previously I ran Slackware on everything, so both of them feel like gliding softly on a cloud to me.)
There’s no reason. I switched to Debian after leaving Slackware around the reiser4 time. It’s real good.
Yeah it seems to work very well on my server. I’ve always just wondered why I don’t see more people recommending it when they’re switching from Ubuntu/Kubuntu. From what I’ve seen on the server (which I mostly access remotely), it seems decent.
It’s not cool. It means you have gray hairs. The packages are old by default.
Well I do have some gray hairs, so no issue there…
May I recommend lxqt and a trackball?
lol Listen here, sonny…
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You probably will not notice that you are in other distro when you start using Debian. They are the same in most things, but without Snaps and most propietary stuff (by default. But if you really need propietary things, you may see the official non-free sourcelist)
Thanks. I often wonder why I don’t see people recommending Debian as a potential destination from Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Why not go to the Free source?
I really do not know. But what I can say for sure is that during the installation of Debian, it allows you to choose the desktop environment at installation time, so you can have your Debian with KDE at minute 0 after installing it.
On the other hand, remember that Kubuntu is derived from Ubuntu. I don’t see Ubuntu fans very enthusiastic about creating another Debian-based distro with KDE preinstalled when they even offer it (live images) to you here.
Weird. I’ve been trying to find a distro I’m happy with and was setting Fedora KDE up today. Ran though my bookmarks and found no videos played on Twitch. Had to install codecs to get it to work. I hadn’t seen this in previous distros. Is this specific to Fedora? Other than this hiccup I’ve enjoyed it so far.
I liked how straight forward Linux Mint is but prefer KDE Plasma. Plus Mint seems quite far behind in versions.
In their gnome version, during the setup process (first boot, not install), they would prompt for third-party repo and codec (Enabled by default, IIRC).
I think you might have unchecked that? or KDE not offering such experience?
EDIT: NVM, I just checked, and I have never installed the codecs… LOL.
Fedora is notorious for avoiding shipping proprietary software with their distro even at the cost of new users.
I think this might stems from the fact that fedora used to be a distro aimed for advanced users. It is slowly getting better at being new user friendly.
I wonder if it is notorious?
Do most Linux users (in this context we’ll say people who specifically choose to use Linux and by extension chose a specific distribution) look unfavorably on proprietary software being excluded by default?
For me, I prefer it so I don’t see it that way. But it is also an extra step and an annoyance if you want things to “just work”. Which is an understandable position.
Food for thought, I guess.
It is definitely not, at least for me when I switched to Linux.
I noticed weird issues while watching a video through VLC, posted about it on Reddit and someone suggested that I had not installed the codecs.
Haha the pain of finding out…
Didn’t you notice the decreased quality?
Yeah, I was wondering why I have desync issues couple days ago watching videos with my wife.
Modern YouTube videos are generally fine, but many other site has poor support for popular codecs.
Yeah, I don’t recall seeing that and installed it about four times.
Yeah those codecs always get you.
Save the pain and install Nobara.
Save the pain and install Nobara.
I mean, it’s one dropdown/checkbox click, to enable codecs sources. I get your point though, having to remember to enable that.
I’d used Nobara if I knew it was being supported by more than just one (great/special; I’m aware of his contribution to gaming on Linux) guy (please correct me if this is no longer the case?), since it would be installed on my daily driver box, and it’s important for me to have a high level of reliability, even though I do more gaming tasks than non-gaming tasks on it.
I’m aware that Nobara is based from Fedora, but am nervous about having a single point of failure, support wise.
I started this way today but kept coming up with an error with rsync during install. I tried in Virtual Box and had the same error. I gave up and just installed Fedora in the end.
No clue what rsync would be doing. Maybe there’s an issue with the current ISO, but I’ve installed it on a few systems in the last couple months with no issues.
You could try fedora kde
I love me some Fedora with KDE, and looking forward to the next major version of KDE.
Just wait till you start the estradiol…
Oh friend-… I’m on the other side. 8 years on T 💪💉. But yes. We’re all queer.
I was told that linux doesn’t work on the Spectrum oO
On Lemmy it exclusively works on the spectrum.
I was referring to the spectrum computer, which can’t run Linux. It wasn’t about people on the Spectrum, which are probably all of us, in some fashion?
Fuck did we all go down the exact same pipeline? I just installed Linux last week and I haven’t booted up windows since.
Did the same thing in November with MX Linux. Haven’t needed to boot into Windows once.
How is mxlinux? Never used it.
I like it, but I’m not exactly a power user and the only other distros I’ve used are Ubuntu and mint. I think if you want a Debian based distro that’s not tied to Ubuntu then Mx is a good choice. I know there’s LMDE too but as far as I know that’s only available with cinnamon, so Mx having KDE plasma is nice too.
There’s the whole sysvinit Vs systemd but I don’t have a dog in that fight and enabled systemd, which Mx makes very easy even though they advise against it.
Welcome to the light side
No. Some of us were already there.
Lifetime Microsoft expert here, I have had machines with Linux in one flavour or another for 15+ years at least.
But for ease of use I just keep coming back to Windows… Because I know it backwards and upside down.
The structure of it makes sense to me. And I have ADHD so I have a terrible working memory and Linux relies FAR too much on command console to do anything effective.
But Linux is hands-down the better system to get away from Microsoft’s enshitification of Windows. But I personally like Windows better.
So I will always run both. But if I need to be really productive, Windows Desktop it is. If I need a server, Linux every time. (Unless it’s MS SQL or a website).
NASA already killed god in 2011
Hell yeah! Good news all around!
Literally
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