I swear people that don’t watch trek think it’s just about lasers and technobabble.
I know people that refused to watch Discovery because ‘they made it all woke and now it’s all about women’.
Discovery has problems (I still like that show), but being woke it not one of them…
I do have issues with the fact modern Trek when they do things like put Elon Musk into dialogue alongside Zephrym Cochran and the Wright Brothers, or when they put the Jan6 riots into a video montage about the failures of humanity. It immediately dates the show in a way that 90s trek never felt dated, and it assumes it knows how people in the future will feel about today’s events. Look at how well the Musk reference has aged.
I’m not saying you can’t reference current social issues and make a statement on them, I’m just saying that if you make the smallest effort to use allegory, even if it’s obvious, it will age better than literally showing modern footage.
I refused to watch it because I couldn’t stand the main character tbh. For someone who was supposed to be in what is essentially the space navy, michael sure was an insubordinate POS. Maybe it got better but I couldn’t sit through more than 2 episodes.
Honestly the disrespect for the command structure shown in a lot new trek stuff is why I have such a hard time watching it.
Don’t get me wrong, I was furious with Michael almost the whole way through!
I think they were trying to tell us the story of someone that struggled with starfleet principles but ends up finding their way and becoming a great captain, but she just pissed the fans off.
She did get a bit better, I now give her a pass because she told her boyfriend that if starfleet told her to she would just kill him.
She’s still the least suitable captain of any show though, in my opinion.
Good to know she’s insufferable for most of the show. I don’t think I want to give it another crack lol.
I didn’t mind some of the stuff that came out Strange New Worlds, and I enjoyed S3 of Picard way more than I thought. I’m hoping this ends up just being a case of really really bad growing pains for star trek. TNG’s first 2 seasons were pretty crap, but it got way better eventually. Maybe new trek will continuing improving
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plenty of people do watch it just for the lasers and/or technobabble.
Star Trek in 1966: *has a bridge crew containing a black female, Russian man, and faaaabulous Japanese man, each of whom holds the rank of full Lieutenant on their own abundant merits*
This and the wooosh with RATM’s music, have me thinking a lot of people experience media differently than I do. Just a series of unrelated pictures or sounds that make a feeling. These themes seem core to the show and presented fairly directly. Or I maybe watch too much TV and need to get outside more :)
I’ve got a friend that fast forwards through films and only plays the parts with fight scenes, car chases or explosions then he will tell people the film is shit if there’s not enough of them.
I found out recently that there are people who will watch shows and just fast forward to the next scene if they get bored.
A reminder that Paul Ryan, a GOP vice presidential candidate and former house speaker, claimed to like RATM before abandoning his support after getting a smackdown from Morello himself
Since the beginning!
‘Make It So’: ‘Star Trek’ and Its Debt to Revolutionary Socialism
Beginning in 1966, the plot of “Star Trek” closely followed Posadas’s propositions. After a nuclear third world war (which Posadas also believed would lead to socialist revolution), Vulcan aliens visit Earth, welcoming them into a galactic federation and delivering replicator technology that would abolish scarcity. Humans soon unify as a species, formally abolishing money and all hierarchies of race, gender and class.
what does star trek have to do with day of the dead art?
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Thats not even the craziest part of that episode
People with an inflexible point of view will always cherry pick from their social examples.
Be open my brothers, sisters and others. We are better than we know and more noble then we think. Do not allow your beautiful minds to be subverted by wars of ideological design. We are one!
I’m not defending the straw man in this screenshot of a tweet, but this is a bad comparison. Roddenberry created a world in which the ideas of equality, freedom, diplomacy, and justice could be explored organically. He shifted the underlying economic motivations for the existence of political systems. He fought constantly with the studio system and his own writers to bring about a revolutionary vision of the future.
Since Roddenberry’s death, Star Trek: The Franchise has been slowly oscillating downwards: away from a universe whose observation reveals the objective value of virtue into one in which virtue is paid lip service at the cost of strong “physics” – that is, the sense of a coherent universe. Star Trek is now a product researched, marketed, designed, produced, tested, distributed, and defended by committee. Where once we had revolutionary subversions of what was allowed on television, we now find performative affirmations of popular lifestyle. If you have to compare yourself to 90’s broadcast television in order to feel revolutionary, you’re not.
The use of “woke” and “political” in this hypercontextualist style is so vague as to border on non-expression. Reacting to a reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a form of expression in which my reply wouldn’t be allowed due to a character limit is not critical thinking. We can do better than this. Roddenberry already did.
How does creating a product through research and committee equate to being “woke?” Countless products have been and are created to appeal to specific audiences. If you just define any product that is designed by committee, researched, focus tested, and made to appeal to a certain lifestyle or segment of the population, then everything is woke.
Country music is woke because it’s made to appeal to rural audiences who believe in rugged individualism. The Fast and Furious movies are woke because they’re made to appeal to people who are part of the car culture and like racing and modding their cars. Sennheiser headphones are woke because they’re designed for audiophiles who are willing to spend thousands of dollars for the best audio quality.
And blaming bad writing on some vague undefined notion as “woke” makes no sense. I don’t like Discovery. My criticisms are based on plots not making sense, characters doing dumb things, characters and plots not being inconsistent, episodes ignoring previously established plot points or lore, etc. It’s the same kinds of criticisms I have towards any bad movie/show/book. For example, the Michael Bay Transformers movies were bad. Why were they bad? Plots not making sense, characters doing dumb things, people ignoring previously established plot points or lore, etc. The quality of those movies have nothing to do with the presence or lack of “wokeness.” Saying that Discovery is bad because it’s “woke” is like saying Michael Bay’s Transformers movies are bad because they have explosions.
The use of “woke” and “political” in this hypercontextualist style is so vague as to border on non-expression.
The use of “woke” is vague?
Unfathomable, no way anyone would use the term “woke” in a vague way, especially not a presidental candidate.
Edit: Or here – https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/star-trek-starship-enterprise-democrat-woke-david-marcus
You’re completely missing the more useful point. The right says “woke and political,” implicitly referencing the complex change I described above. The left quotes the right saying “woke and political” as an implicit dismissal of civil rights, diversity, representation, etc. Both of these lazy-ass anachronisms suck big huge elephant dicks and ruin the political discourse in the media.
The right says “woke and political,” implicitly referencing the complex change I described above.
You are entirely making that up.
Here are 200+ different things that are “woke” according to Fox: https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/200-things-fox-news-has-labeled-woke
I don’t think the output of a media outlet is a useful handle on what individuals mean when they use politicized terms. To put it another way, if you’re going to quote Fox you should also quote HuffPo.
It’s a huge number of examples of that right wing individuals using “woke” in a vague way.
Show me one example of a right wing individual using “woke” in a specific way.
You’re misreading me and moving the goalposts. There is a media trend which can be (very poorly) described as “woke and political.” One of the reasons why people who are bothered by this trend should refrain from using this code/shorthand is that it allows other people to project hate onto it, which is, in my view, equally shitty. Outlets like Fox deliberately court this behavior because it drives engagement. You shared their viral content for them. I wonder if you even viewed one of their ads on the way.
Yeah I’m browsing the fediverse but I don’t know how to install AdBlock on my browser.
“woke” has always been vague, on purpose. It’s so you can retcon any “implicit” meaning you want, as you tried to.
Right wingers don’t use “woke” in a specific way and we both know it, that’s why you can’t muster a single example to back up your claim.
I’ll even help you out: here is a time when a right wing individual specifically defined “woke”:
“To me, it means someone who believes that there are systemic injustices in the criminal justice system, and on that basis they can decline to fully enforce and uphold the law,”
There is nothing to do with the writing quality of any TV show in there.
