• MasterNerd@lemm.ee
    1565·
    2 years ago

    Kinda weird that they’re calling it an OS, but ig they’re just trying to cater to the windows audience

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
        42·
        2 years ago

        Neon is more of a testbed than a proper distro (they don’t actually even use that word).

        Is this “the KDE distro”?

        Nope. KDE believes it is important to work with many distributions, as each brings unique value and expertise for their respective users. This is one project out of hundreds from KDE.

      • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
        13·
        2 years ago

        Which is…still not an OS. It’s a distribution. Specifically, it’s a fork of Ubuntu. To reiterate what the OP was saying, they’re catering to the Windows audience, who understand the concept of a “new Windows version,” but who wouldn’t understand the concept of a distribution.

        • killerinstinct101@lemmy.world
          51·
          2 years ago

          What exactly is an OS to you? All distros are operating systems because they ship all the tools and utilities need for the system to function (on top of a package manager).

          The fact that the KDE devs didn’t write that code themselves doesn’t disqualify it from being an OS.

          • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
            22·
            2 years ago

            An OS is the interface layer between hardware and software. It’s the first code that runs after the boot loader, and it exposes an API for syscalls that allow user processes to allocate typically restricted resources, while also tracking and maintaining those allocated resources, doing process scheduling, and a bunch of other critical tasks.

            All distros are operating systems because they ship all the tools and utilities need for the system to function

            All distros contain operating systems (or, more accurately, kernels), or, rather, are built on top of them. A distribution is a collection of curated software, along with an init system and, for linux, package manager, and, frequently, a particular desktop environment. These pieces of software are, on some level, superfluous. You can have an OS without them. They don’t comprise the OS as a distinct conceptual layer of a computer system, of which there is the hardware, operating system, application, and user layers. The operating system is just Linux - because that is the interface layer between the hardware and software.

            Saying “all distros are operating systems” is like saying “all cars are engines.” It’s just wrong. And I don’t care what wikipedia has to say about it.

        • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
          12·
          2 years ago

          It’s actually not even a distro, according to their own description at least

          Is it a distro?

          Not quite, it’s a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base. While we have installable images, unlike full Linux distributions we’re only interested in KDE software.

            • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
              3·
              2 years ago

              They probably feel like the name distribution means more than just slapping a DE on it and basically a PPA. Then again, haven’t stopped loads of distros from doing that hah.

              Could be another way to discourage people using it as a beginner distro or something.

              • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
                1·
                2 years ago

                I mean, there’s over a thousand linux distributions already and it feels like they just don’t want it to be another drop of water in the ocean.

  • GustavoM@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1373·
    2 years ago

    “But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!”

    - 10’ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager

    • RQG@lemmy.world
      52·
      2 years ago

      I found since people are used to app stores, I’ve had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.

    • embed_me@programming.dev
      383·
      2 years ago

      With app images it’s easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user

      • Ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        32·
        2 years ago

        I installed Linux a few weeks ago and it was on Tuesday I wanted to add some programs I had installed (it was mGBA and melonDS) to my steam launcher, I went through the hassle of making a . desktop file for both of them (I was dumb and used a Ubuntu based distro, so it installed as a snap, which sucks hard on a hdd) and then it wouldn’t launch, I searched up again (I was using chatGPT for all of this, I asked it a lot how to do stuff, it’s like this was it’s purpose beacuse it always worked first try), did the chmod x+ command and then I was done

        Just to see it not launch :/

      • bellsDoSing@lemm.ee
        4·
        2 years ago

        Honestly, if all you’ve ever experienced in regards to terminals is windows CMD, then you really haven’t seen much. I mean that possitively. Actually, it will give you a far worse impression on what using a Linux / Unix terminal can be like (speaking as someone who spent what feel’s like years in terminals, of which the least amount in windows CMD).

        I suggest to simply play around with a Linux terminal (e.g. install VirtualBox,.then use it to install e.g. Ubuntu, then follow some simple random “Linux terminal beginner tutorial” you can find online).

  • glibg10b@lemmy.ml
    1061·
    2 years ago

    Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests

    KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution

    I think we have a clear winner here

    • desconectado@lemm.ee
      261·
      2 years ago

      But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can’t run away from those, and don’t tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can’t. This is not linux fault, but it’s still an issue you can’t handwave.

      I love linux, but you can’t expect people to adopt it just because it’s objectively better than windows.

      • FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world
        111·
        2 years ago

        Wine can run most of those, not all. You can still dual boot Windows if you need to (VMs are an option, but they aren’t always the best).

        • desconectado@lemm.ee
          10·
          2 years ago

          I mean, that’s what I do. Will I be able to convince my 60 yo colleague that had been using the same workflow for decades? No, not a chance.

      • dino@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        I love linux, but you can’t expect people to adopt it just because it’s objectively better than windows.

        Excel o,O

      • aldalire@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        64·
        2 years ago

        List of things to consider

        1. There are alternatives
        2. You can use wine
        3. You can run a windows VM and install it there
        4. Dual boot windows
        5. Microsoft has built a proprietary moat around their operating system. The reason why it’s hard to switch from Windows is by corporate design. A mix of early adoption, network effects, and just plain cold hard cash makes them dominate the operating system market. Of course it’s infeasible for your 60yo coworker to switch; but KDE presents an alternate reality, an opportunity, for people fed up with big tech’s bullshit. Yes, figure out how to run and use alternatives you fucking nut. Way to go disparaging countless volunteer hours spent on open source projects so that people like me can switch to linux.

        Comments like these make me irrationally angry. Why complain about open source software and give bad PR? It’s open source; contribute.

        • desconectado@lemm.ee
          31·
          2 years ago

          Read my other replies. 1 and 2 don’t really work, the performance of using wine, or the alternatives, is just not there, if you do amateur work, maybe that’s fine, but for professional collaborative work, good luck using freecad instead of autocad.

          Personally, I use 3 and 4, but you have to understand that the regular user is not going to go through that much hassle to set up a virtual machine.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      102·
      2 years ago

      And anytime you mention that anywhere when somebody is being fucked again by windows, people find you annoying

    • mrcleanup@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 years ago

      Yeah, but that old technology is what still lets me run a 13 year old version of Adobe creative suite. If that ever changes I will have to learn something new!

      • Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        2 years ago

        We will perhaps never beat adobe but nowadays there are some amazing tools!

        … Which are developed for windows as well. Haha.

  • HouseWolf@lemm.eeEnglish
    56·
    2 years ago

    So basically ever since I first tried Windows 7 I held it as the “Gold standard” for desktop OS’s. Half my tweaks to Windows 10 were trying to get it as close to Win7 as I possibly could.

    When I finally start experimenting with Linux early this year KDE quickly got me to reconsider my “Gold standard” and finally switch my main machine fully to Linux.

    No regrets and certainly ain’t switching back even if Microsoft gave me updated Windows 7 with every extra feature I wanted back then.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
      4·
      2 years ago

      Almost all my desktop gets used for anymore is gaming. The windows only anti cheat shit leaves me not messing with splitting what I boot up for.

    • 7u5k3n@lemmy.world
      41·
      2 years ago

      I’ve been on Linux for ages and ages… back when I had to order CDs for new copies of Ubuntu.

      Kde is the first desktop experience that I feel is the gold standard.

      Every iteration of Linux I’ve used, solus, fedora, Ubuntu, Manjaro the DE I use is KDE.

      I’m not sure why… but it makes sense to me and is my gold standard experience.

    • interceder270@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 years ago

      I set my KDE up to look as much like Windows 7 as possible.

      I think that was peak desktop design before designers started changing shit just to stay relevant.

    • jeremyparker@programming.dev
      21·
      2 years ago

      I hate to say this, because I know how cringe it is, but… Windows 7 actually removed a lot of features that made Windows fun. And yeah, I’m talking about ricing and I’m unironically saying ricing is valid.

      The mid 2000s was an awesome time to be in the ricing community - between litestep, blackbox, foobar2k, rainlendar/rainmeter etc, you could actually make your experience look however you wanted.

      And, litestep in particular, for me, was a gateway drug to openbox and therefore Linux - when you finally hit The Windows Wall, where, to go any further, you had to step into Linux, Ubuntu was there, and then Mint, and then…idr what.

      I still have my 2007 Ubuntu installation cd that they mailed to me for free. Sure, you could just make your own installation cd rom, but, if you couldn’t, they would happily mail you one - or, as in my case, you felt motivated to evangelize, they’d send you a bunch that you could give out to people. I gave mine to friends and left some others at the local anarchist bookstore (I don’t remember the name of it but this was Washington DC just north of Chinatown).

      Windows 7 was a big step backwards. You could still do a lot of ricing, but less - and it was very clear from the direction that Windows 7 went, that whatever came next would be worse.

  • Synthead@lemmy.worldEnglish
    261·
    2 years ago

    To be fair, forcing a bunch of software on the machine users own was never a good move, and in my opinion, not a new normal.

  • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
    19·
    2 years ago

    I came back to KDE after a long absence because I never liked it back in the day (I found it ugly and bloated). I was really surprised by how good it has become. It’s now my favourite desktop environment on Linux, and I’m looking forward to version 6. So to any other oldies still avoiding KDE because of how it used to be, it’s worth another look.

    • k_rol@lemmy.ca
      4·
      2 years ago

      I second your experience. It was not so impressive back then and 2indo2s was much nicer, but not anymore. I’m feeling it, this year Linux will be on top!

      Edit: I tried to write Windows 🤷‍♂️

      • littlewonder@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 years ago

        Here I am thinking there’s some obscure Linux project using a name that’s somehow a sequel to Windows, like a Windows 2, but also a play on the 2__4me meme.

    • TheHarpyEagle@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 years ago

      Oh, this is good news for me. I remember trying KDE years ago and feeling that it was just way too heavy. My goto is usually Cinnamon, but the lack of Wayland support has made me hesitant to go all in with out on my gaming PC. Def gonna give KDE a try, thanks!

      • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        Cinnamon was where I had ended up too. So now I have a couple of Linux Mint/Cinnamon machines and a Tumbleweed/KDE machine. It surprised me that I like KDE more.

  • jayandp@sh.itjust.works
    18·
    2 years ago

    What’s the current reliable KDE Distro? I’ve been rolling with Kububtu for a while now, but Ubuntu’s Snap mandate has been getting annoying.

    • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
      15·
      2 years ago

      I have been enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It’s a rolling distro unlike the Ubuntu and Debian derivatives, but the updates hardly ever cause problems and it’s very easy to roll them back if they do. It also gives you a choice between X11 and Wayland, and Wayland is working well for me on Intel graphics.

    • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
      2·
      2 years ago

      I for one hope to move from kubuntu to debian with KDE, I assume that won’t have snap shit or systemd shit, but I might be painfully mistaken right there, I haven’t checked it out yet.

      • mellejwz@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        Debian does use systemd, but what’s so bad about it? I’m just curious, I’m using Arch with KDE, and that also uses systemd. Never had any issues with it. Debian doesn’t use snap by default though.

    • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de
      2·
      2 years ago

      Most likely the best distro for KDE is KDE neon, but that doesn’t mean that much.

      I use it on Debian testing and am very satisfied with it, KDE has never been so stable.

  • kshade@lemmy.world
    151·
    2 years ago

    KDE nerds: Is there a way to get a normal app launch indicator (cursor with a loading icon/hourglass) instead of either nothing or the little hopping icons that don’t animate right?

    • CalicoJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      4·
      2 years ago

      I don’t know about an hourglass specifically, but there are some options. Should be in system settings, applications, launch feedback and/or busy cursor.

    • Zamundaaa@discuss.tchncs.de
      2·
      2 years ago

      No. Some people wanted to change it to that for Plasma 6, but on Xorg there’s apparently no way to make that happen, as the cursor is always decided on by the window you’re hovering over…

      • kshade@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 years ago

        Oh, I see, thank you! Never noticed the cursor changing back when I put it over another window in XFCE, but I also never looked for that. I really just want that brief feedback, especially when I’m using a touchpad.

  • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
    8·
    2 years ago

    Because I need Windows to run old C&C games. Get Generals world builder working on Linux and I’ll delete my dual boot

    • AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      2 years ago

      You can already get it working under Linux, running a Windows VM. I remember doing that for Homeworld, it’s basically the emulator approach. A VM is ok if it isn’t too demanding graphically.

      • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Yeah the issue is the tools. They’re what I have a hard time with in the VMs. I have no idea why

    • the_q@lemmy.world
      78·
      2 years ago

      Imagine keeping an entire system set aside for one application. You do you, bud.

      • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
        14·
        2 years ago

        I don’t think you understand how zealous C&C fans are. Some of us have entire XP machines with CRT monitors just to play the game in its purest form. We’re about as culty as Linux.

        But it’s also not just one program, it’s all the c&c games, their map editors, mod loaders, and any modding tools. World builder is just an example.

          • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
            33·
            2 years ago

            The simple solution here is to just move on and play a game that isn’t old enough to drink, lol.

          • AlexWIWA@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            It can but it’s already a headache to get the tools running, and adding in the VM layer can add more headaches.

            Usually the compatibility patches make the games work in the VM, but the map editors and modding tools had a lot of issues last time I tried.

            The tooling around those games was incredibly barbones so there are probably a lot of hacks going on that the VM wasn’t properly stimulating.