As “innocent” as they are portrayed, the hypocrisy is the least of their problems. Their abuse of both people and animals is extremely widespread and rarely talked about.
The worst part was the hypocrisy. Well that and all the raping.
Man just calling out the rape doesn’t do it justice.
They rape and “freshen up” the gene pool now and then. They rape to fix problems caused by rape.
If you don’t feel uncomfortable with that thought in your head, then add to it the puppy mills.
They are not a holy people.
Are puppy mills more efficient than wind mills?
Damn it, Norm! You’re supposed to be dead!
Quit screwing around and get back to relaxing in the afterlife, we’ll handle this mess just fine. Or we won’t, and we’ll all see you soon.
Wait, what? I have a feeling I was better off being ignorant.
Part of mainstream Amish theology is basically that it’s the job of the community to handle people sinning, not outsiders, and after rape has been “handled” by a period of shunning it’s basically forbidden for community members to not re-embrace them, including their victim.
Fucking nightmare for the victims, for obvious reasons.
The man they mention in this article (Eli Yoder) regularly brings it up and confronts it.
He interviewed a woman one time who was raped by her brothers and she got in trouble right along with them for being “tempting” and not modest enough.
The abuse started when she was a small child.
They don’t go to the police when they catch people, they take them to the elders and punish them within the group. They usually just get shunned for a bit.
Wives regularly get blamed when their daughters are abused by their husbands. “You should do your wifely duties so he isn’t tempted.”
I’ve heard some wild stories watching this guy.
He really works hard to bring education and information to people who are trapped in that reality. He also provides resources and support when people want to escape.
Sufferers of domestic violence with hidden phones is a far more important issue.
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Why can no one on social media hold more than one thought in there head at a time?
Indeed. Fucking red herrings…
Why would they leave it on???
Just the men?
Ah they really live in the good old times… /s
JFC, that was a horrible read. Thank you for sharing this, however grim it might be.
“shunned” by their church
Take that as a compliment and move on.
Being shunned in Amish culture is VERY aggressive. You’re basically cut off from the community and family. You can’t get rides, you have to eat alone, etc. It’s pretty fucked up.
Mormons also have versions of this that are notoriously fucked up. Stay in line or lose contact with everyone you love.
A couple of decades ago I worked with an ex-mormon. Shunned by his family, his sister would still call to wish him merry Christmas etc… I remember overhearing one of those calls; “merry Christmas sis, and tell mom and dad I’m very glad I’m not there”.
Jehovah’s Witnesses too.
I feel so sad for JW kids. Not only are they growing up in a cult where they might die if they need a blood transfusion, they don’t even get birthday parties or Christmas presents. The latter, especially if they go to public school as many do, must be really psychologically taxing on a small child when every other kid in school is having birthday parties and talking about what they got for Christmas. I got it a little bit because I’m Jewish and we didn’t celebrate Christmas, so I definitely felt like an outcast at times. But at least I got Hanukkah presents and birthday parties and no one told me the world was going to end any day now (well, maybe by the Soviets nuking us, but that was a different anxiety).
Yeah my best friend was JW and it messed him up a bit. He got out of the church as soon as he could manage. I don’t think it was terribly abusive or anything and there were some nice people in their church, but they were strict on the rules and shunning. His parents did sidestep the no Christmas/birthday restriction by celebrating their wedding anniversary and giving the kids presents on that occasion.
Yeah I’ve heard with Jehovas Witnesses it’s extreme. I haven’t heard the same about Mormons actually.
Yup. It sounds a lot like Scientology. Or pretty much every other cult/religion out there. LOL
If their way of life was so amazing, people would WANT to stay in it. Holding them hostage or else… just seems… less than ideal. 😵
Scientology literally has an illegal prison to throw you in.
I wonder if Shelly Miscavige is there?
Maybe her corpse…
To be fair, some religions are much more aggressive about burning bridges than others. If I piss off my Catholic family, I just get passive aggressive quips from my mother in law at Christmas. I can still see my family, go home to my wife, and still work in the city they reside in.
The Mormons do not “have versions of this.” Their official policy is quite the opposite. However, for many Mormons, their religion is their whole identity so when a family member chooses another lifestyle they are personally offended and can’t find any way to relate to them anymore.
Technically all Christians have a version of this. Though even in “Bible Churches” it is usually tempered by the second bit below, and processes of repentance and whatnot.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
I Corinthians 5
15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
Matthew 18
As an aside, that Corinthians bit spells it out in plain-ass English that any “Christian” screaming at non-Christians about being gay, trans, or whatever either do not know their Bible or only use it when it supports the actions they already want to take.
As a second aside, it is kind of funny what one still remembers even after being out of the church for a couple decades.
Technology is bad! AI sucks! Video games make kids violent! The world was better before we had all this screen time!
-Posted from my iPhone
lol anyone that has experience with Amish in Ohio knows phones are everywhere.
Hell I saw an amish dude ripping down the street on a one wheel just a few months ago. Some use side by sides and tractors. They also have a battery distributor with their own name on the label and a website, Miller Tech.
It depends on the community but in my experience it’s not much of an issue at all these days.
I’ve lived near a few Amish communities, and they’re all a little different on what tech is present but it’s safe to say they all have some.
Generally you’ll see electricity and phone lines to a special building, they won’t all have it but a few will. Lately they’ve ditched the landlines for cell phones, and they’ll have their spouses put parental blocks on them.
The philosophy doesn’t really change much, it’s not about rejecting technology, it’s about being self sufficient, and not relying on the outside world for anything. The phones are mostly for business. But they’ll use them for Internet to get to Facebook and YouTube too.
It’s also worth noting that the horse and buggy thing is pretty common but I’ve never met an Amish adult who didn’t at last have access to a pickup truck.
Yep here there’s a whole niche business for people willing to drive Amish to/from job sites, stores, hunting areas etc
Most of those business are Amish owned and run. Guy I knew had three or four giant pickup trucks, generally he was towing pigs to slaughter but he would cart anything they asked him to. They didn’t trust the English to handle their business as far as they could throw them.
It’s worth pointing out that the guy with the cell phone and pickup trucks also believed the world was flat. He was not a flat earther the way we think of one, and wouldn’t know what that meant if you asked him. It just happens to say in the Bible that the world has 4 corners, and so it must. As, according to him and almost every person in Amish communities everywhere, the Bible is literally and 100% truth.
huh
Shunning is a cult practice, this is one of the reasons I strongly dislike the Amish
So you shun the Amish?
I mean I disapprove of their child abuse, etc. Shunning them would require I first be part of their life
There are two things in the world I can’t stand. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch.
Retarded take, be outcast
This is weird because lots of Amish communities let people have cell phones, you just can’t use it in the house.
Also there are a lot of different sects of Amish. On one extreme there are the Amish who use the internet with a few restrictions, and on the other are the Amish who won’t touch anything that uses electricity. It’s a broad society. They’re pretty much all kinda shitty to women, but that’s diverse too.
The “Phone Barn” market is incoming
I thought Jesus preached forgiveness. Why isn’t that lesson being followed?
Oh it’s because religion is bullshit and its followers are hypocrites
Shunning, in those sects that still practice it, generally isn’t a permanent affair, nor was is originally specified to be. The shunning isn’t the problem for you and I, its that lgbtq lifestyles are usually(depends on the community - even among the amish) a “living in sin”/shunnable affair no one should have to repent or hide.
EDIT: Jesus Christ, Amish shunning for rape and icest is only six weeks, AND they forbid reporting of such crimes to law enforcement? WTF?
https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2020/01/14/amish-sexual-abuse-assault/
Also:
Matthew 22:21
Romans 13:1
1 Peter 2:13-17Noting that aiding and abetting a crime, including lying to hide another’s crime, and the intimidation of witnesses and victims, are all well-established secular law, there is no grounds for how too many religious communities handle such things. Priests and Pastors should be mandatory reporters, not privileged to keep confidentiality where serious crimes are concerned, nevermind that these people are openly confessing to their entire congregations/communities.
lmao not so tight knit if a bunch of people have phones and you dont know about it
Even worse is for example domestic violence and abuse victims who might have a secret phone stashed away which could be located with the very loud emergency alert. I seem to recall posts going around to notify those people to have their phone turned off during that time.
This is the bigger story.
DOUBT. This article was written on stereotypes.
Have you been to a Mennonite community? Phones are no secret. They are not technophobes. They just do not adopt frivolous tech without considering how it would benefit society. Cars, for example, were determined to be mostly a tool for leaving home, which many old order communities thought would be damaging for their community.
Phones are not so. Phones let you contact a loved one in an emergency. Many people, depending on the community, will have one, and there’s no shame about it. This article just focuses on a couple kids, but paints it like a widespread thing.
Amish and Mennonite are not the same thing. The Amish are much more restrictive about technology than Mennonites.
Headlines says Amish, so a phone should not be accepted. I stayed with a Mennonite before and she said Amish are no technology, then I think there was Old Order, which accepted technology up to like the Model T cars but nothing further, then Mennonites, which were essentially the same “group” (religion?) but the most advanced technologically, accepting all technology.
So is this another “look at what Biden did now…” headline over at Fux News?
Shunning happens with all society now, for less than this. Except it’s called ghosting. Or “cutting off” of family members. It’s shameful and no different, except we do it whenever we want, for whatever reason seems justified to us, without caring for the party we are doing it to. At least with Amish, everyone knows the rules.
We can’t point at another section of society until we fix ourselves.
No part of society has, to my knowledge, shunned me. Please explain.
You’ve never heard of ghosting a (former) romantic partner? Or going No Contact with a family member?
That is in no way the same as an entire community shunning you and cutting you off from all of your family and friends. That is not society shunning you. That’s a person doing it.
