Any games where a remaster could never stack up to the original.
Inspired by this post, asking the opposite, what games do you think are worthy of a remaster: https://lemmy.ml/post/6091201
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Dishonored.
That game looks beautiful, even if compared to some of today’s AAA titles.
Updating it to Dishonored 2 level graphics would be nice though. Last time I played it I noticed some things looking dated now. But the art style is solid either way.
I would have said dead space until the remake came out and blew me away. So if the devs really care about it no game is untouchable to me. You can always play the original.
Yea I think it’s not necessarily the game, but what the remaster looks like. If they get super lazy with it, then it’s not worth it. A proper remaster would be great
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/quszkv/increasing_poly_count_doesnt_always_make_sense/
I’d say the same thing about resident evil 2 and to an extent resident evil 3.
I think the re2+3 remakes are great games, but I don’t think they’re better than the originals. 3 especially felt really cut and dumbed down compared to it’s source. I think I put 40 hours into the original story, and beat the remake in about 6.
I agree that they are not better than the originals. I still prefer the tank controls.
Phantasy Star Online. They’ve tried to release sequels over the years - Universe, PSO2 - and failed miserably at capturing what made Episodes 1 and 2 great. There’s no way they would be able to just update the graphics without trying to “improve” something in the gameplay, or changing the loot system, or adding MTX, and would just fuck it up again.
PSO is so good that even now, 23 years after it launched on Dreamcast, there’s still hundreds if not thousands of people like me that still play regularly. Whether that’s offline on their GameCube or online in Blue Burst on PC on a server like Ephinea.
PSO is such a gem from the Dreamcast / Gamecube days… There’s something about the whole experience that I can’t really explain or recommend to someone who didn’t grow up with it. For instance, tying your attacks to a certain rhythm would be a game design sin nowadays, unless it’s core to the entire concept (shout out to Chroma, what a fun alpha that was!). But it oozes early-00’s charm in every aspect. And that OST!
I still hop on to Ephinea at least once a month because there’s still a lot of stuff I’ve yet to achieve. I’ll find my Heaven Punisher yet 😤
I played some of the English fan patch of PSO2 back when all the US players were on the SEA server. I thought it was pretty good, but obviously vastly different from the original. Then a few months ago I got curious and looked up recent gameplay. There’s basically nothing that can tie it to the first one, and even on its own, it’s utterly hollow and soulless. Watched someone just float in the air for several minutes killing hundreds of weird enemies wave after wave. Where’s the fun in that? At least back in 2012-ish, PSE bursts brought some exciting moments. This video was just constant “action” with no ramp-up. Pure mobile gaming type garbage.
I’m sure nobody is down here after my ranting, but if you are, and you like games with a charming aesthetic and a slow-burn progression, definitely give PSO Blue Burst a try. It’s 100% free with 0 microtransactions, and it’s wholly run by fans. I don’t really interact with the rest of the community, but from the POV of a forum lurker, they’re all good people.
I don’t often get to gush (pun not intended) about one of my favorite games ever. Can you tell? 😁
Portal 2 is 12 years old and still looks incredible.
Tetris? Any remake they’ve made was basically just a texture pack?
The Next Tetris actually has some neat mechanics that allow for some crazy gameplay moves. The pieces will fall apart once they come to rest, if the blocks are a different color, and they also merge together if they are the same color. It made for some interesting games
I will say Tetris Effect in VR is a legitimately transcendental experience. I’ve had trips that felt less meaningful and awe-inspiring than that game.
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past.
Sometimes a simple port to modern systems with 60+ fps and widescreen/4K is all you need and in this case I say remaster everything good. There’s no excuse for a great game being permanently stuck on a Saturn or PS2.
Yeah fair enough, I wasn’t really considering ports to new systems when I asked the question. I was thinking more along the lines of, if they remastered something like SMW with more modern graphics or slightly different controls, it wouldn’t hold up to the original masterpiece. But then again flatscreens don’t display games designed for crt screens as well as they were initially intended. Maybe remakes would’ve been a better question!
You thinking that something can’t be improved on is not a good reason for it to not happen.
I remember over a decade ago when people were whining about a rumored Silent Hill 2 remake (long before Bloober Team even existed). The argument was as presented here: They shouldn’t do a remake because it can’t possibly be as good as the original.
You know what I have to say to that? A Silent Hill 2 remake would not erase the original from existence. So who cares? If the remake ends up sucking, go play the original. Simple as.
Funny enough, it’s an even more effective thing to do today in regards to Steam games. For example, it’s really sending a message about the state of Payday 3 when Payday 2 has several times higher 24 hour concurrent player peaks. It really makes it clear that people wanted more from the franchise and were simply unhappy with the newest product.
What you say it not always true though. Sometines the original game is killed in favour of the newer one
That’s almost never a thing with remakes. Counter-Strike 2 replacing Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is the one that would be most recent and is probably why you’re saying this. If not, you’re probably thinking of similar such soft relaunches after large updates (which arguably applies here, though the change is so substantial that they really shouldn’t have outright replaced CS:GO).
That’s a completely separate issue and should realistically have no bearing on whether or not remakes should be made. You should focus your anger at the true problem, which is that Games as a Service is fraud. Don’t let them entangle your feelings on this such that you accept things like a remake replacing an original game as not only normal, but also an inevitability.
Dang man no need to go full gung ho misundstanding on what op is saying. It’s just theoretically speaking…chill the fuck out. I’ll go ahead and say Halo 3 for my answer.
Thanks!
For real, this. The remake was bad? Oh no, good thing the original is probably still very accessible over multiple platforms these days.
You ask me, the problem with remakes is that the industry isn’t focusing on games that aren’t as easily available and could genuinely benefit a lot from a facelift and some tweaks under the hood. Stuff like Parasite Eve, where the original media also feels sort of timely or relevant.
I’m definitely in the minority, but remasters in general aren’t my cup of tea. I’d generally rather play the thing as it was. If a game was noteworthy for some reason I’d like to see it in roughly its original historical context, especially if it’s noteworthy for what it did with the hardware at the time. Remaking it can really take away from that in my opinion.
I don’t always mind it, especially when it makes a game that’s hard to run on modern computers readily available and has options that are faithful to the original… and sometimes it’s just nice to have shiny new graphics (like with the Spyro remakes). Other games it just seems silly for… like Bioshock and Mass Effect aren’t that old and the remasters don’t seem that different, so why bother? I guess they come as a bundle, so that’s a win? And I guess these releases are also good for consoles, but they seem silly on PC.
I won’t yuck anybody’s yums, though. If you like remasters that’s great… I just don’t really see the point most of the time, but maybe it’s because I like seeing old graphics and seeing where we came from and stuff.
For the most part I agree with you but generally want controls remapped to match current conventions. A lot of PS2 games are hard to play because they were making button layouts up as they went and it interferes with my muscle memory!
I never played Spyro growing up, so I don’t have the nostalgia boner for it, but my partner did. Watching them play it was infuriating. The difficulty in the first three games is based entirely on the controls being dogshit.
Yes the control remapping can be a big deal for sure coughsystemshockcough
I finally got a chance to play ‘Bounty Hunter’ the PS2 Star Wars game a few years ago on PS4.
The controls were inverted x axis and couldnt be changed. I couldn’t get through the first level.
I used to insist on playing games inverted but at some point I switched and now I feel your pain!
I’m an inverted Y axis guy to this day… but inverted X? Unplayable. Lol
Thanks for clarifying. I misread that because it’s so unusual! Maybe they were trying to make it “fun”.
Super Hexagon
No games should be remastered. Leave them as they are and create new games.
Not for that reason (as already explained in another comment), but because they work best in 2d or aren’t popular these days anymore
The original Sims + expansion packs. I haven’t played any of the newer ones but I spent a lot of childhood playing the original with my mom and we had so much fun together.
Livin’ Large was my fave expansion pack because of the servo. Such a fun game!
Was just reminded on here a few days about Jet Set Radio Future.
The graphics aren’t realistic so it still feels good despite being released 20 years ago. The music and overall gameplay is also fantastic and original.
It somewhat got a “remaster” as a spiritual successor this past summer as Bomb Rush Cyberfunk. With added “vehicles” and HD which makes it a bit more crisp in detail.
