i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don’t federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, “dark web” illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because “use my blacklist or get defederated”. This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.
i wish it remained a user’s option to block/unblock content they don’t/do want to see. Each instance could provide their “recommended” default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like “porn”, “memes”, “tankies”, “nazis”, “warez”, etc
We’re gonna need a Lemmy client that can log into multiple accounts at the same time and display a combined feed of allof those accounts…
Liftoff has been doing that for A while
Now we need one that does that and is available on FDroid.
I’ve begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.
When I looked at that site to see what everyone is talking about, it looked dead with most posts having no comments. Am I missing something? Doesn’t really seem like a threat to Lemmy.
Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the “face” of Lemmy it’s probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the “uninitiated normies” out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
Yeah, I’m fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of “jailbait.”
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there’s something I want to find I’ll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I’m not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don’t manage the server and I’m not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what’s right and legal.
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don’t mind it but it’s definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I’ve noticed a lot more “normie” content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Anyone know of a good/current breakdown of the available instances? I landed on LW during the reddit exodus, and so far I’ve been happy here - haven’t felt the itch to relapse back to reddit or the need to find a new home on the fed… even this piracy thing isn’t a deal breaker for me personally since I don’t really engage in that content anyway - but on principle I dislike that it’s been blocked.
Despite all that, I wouldn’t mind poking my head around just to see what’s up, and maybe find my nice little niche, but I don’t know the best way to actually go about navigating the fed.
Good resource for metrics! I’d really love some more qualitative information though - like by metrics alone, exploding.heads looks pretty decent; but I know just from hanging around here for the past month or so that it’s a hive of neonazis and definitely NOT somewhere I’d want to spend any time. Also info like which instances block / are blocked by the one in question; compatibility with mobile apps or quality of mobile website… shit like that. Would have been awesome to have a guide like that when I joined up as a brand-newbie; but even after having my feet in the water for a bit, I’m kinda lost on where to go from here.
I like kbin for the sorting algorithm and the website UI, but mostly use lw because of jerboa
We just doubled our numbers somehow! Look at all these new users joining the fediverse 😅
I know that is what broke the camels back for me, not that I personally partake in piracy but, it concerns me because if that is being done, what else could be being done. I understand the legal ramifications of the storage of it but, idk it just put a bad taste in my mouth, it was the first instance of censorship that didn’t make full sense and was made due to a random account that was downvoted to oblivion, was super concerning. I still have an account on it but, it made me aware I needed more variety
The only thing that makes data useful to humanity is the fact that it can be copied - not copying data is unethical.
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can’t subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that’s the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That’s why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy’s strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
De-federation is bad.
While I agree with you, I’d really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don’t want my instance from defederating from much, but I’d like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol
I think they’re actually planning on adding that soon, one of the devs mentioned it during their AMA that it’s one of the next big features they plan to try to tackle. (Edit: looks like the work is mostly done, it’s just under review https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3869)
Also kbin already has it, but I prefer Lemmy’s UI much more so I just deal without having user instance blocking for now
You would be free to do that, just as you can make filters in gmail. But the difference is who gets to make that decision.
Nah I gotta disagree on this one. I specifically joined this instance as a welcoming space. I’m glad we’re defederated from the tankie and far right instances. I want none of that here. You can feel differently for the “main” instances or whatever you want to call them, but for me, defederation is amazing.
Very good point
If someone’s email domain is @ihateminorities.com, I’d say that’s pretty fair grounds for blocking it.
There are some instances that actively promote hateful or extremist content, and exist for the purpose of hosting it. There are others that do not actively support that content but do allow it, anywhere, making blocking one community not enough. Defederation is an important tool and should be used wisely.
If an instance is merely blocked, does that mean all content produced by that instance, or by a Lemmy.World user using that instance, is strictly not stored on Lemmy.World servers?
Otherwise there might still be liability. Also, in the US you don’t even have to do anything illegal to be the target of a lawsuit—distancing from piracy is a practical defense against the cost of legal proceedings, even if it’s technically legal.
Oh do please tell me about this “piracy” you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
I’ve never bothered with private trackers, what benefits do they actually provide?
They say they provide curation of content, keep out lawyers and provide an incentive to seed.
In practice none of these are provided.
What they really are, are entities who sell access to copyright infringement material.
They discourage network effect free sharing. They discourage posting content with investors rules and they impede seeding by creating a zero sum economy where nobody wants to download anything unless they really have to because you won’t be able too seed your ratio back to 1 as everybody tries to seed and nobody disappears.
It leads to the ridiculous practice of downloading whatever gets posted on the RSS feed, just so you can seed it to other people who blind download stuff just to seed it. Basically a pump and dump scheme where someone always end up holding the bag.
All this to motivate people to buy their ratio back. I’ve seen one recent case they were charging 20$ to free leech 80gb.
In other words private trackers are shit, kill private trackers with DHT
Lol, what kinds of shitty private trackers are you on?
411, ygg, bunch of others that made me jump hoops to join and then had those shitty policies. I stopped using private trackers a long time ago.
I equate private tracker with shit tracker and not worth my time nor my seedbox bandwidth.
DHT should have made trackers obsolete. We should have torrents of torrent files.
Some of them have freeleech on some torrents. TorrentLeech has freeleech on every torrent over a certain size (I think 15 GB) + Box Sets of any size and then you just have to seed for 10 days total, then you can stop without penalty to your ratio. I have never paid money to TorrentLeech for access. I suppose this would change quickly if I was downloading individual episodes of a new show or 10 to 14.99 GB torrents, but that’s not my usual usage pattern.
I will say that some of your criticism is correct. I will often avoid using the private tracker to avoid having to seed for 10 days. I can’t get to a 1.0 ratio on private trackers, but I can on public ones, but freeleech seeding adds to my ratio with no penalty for downloading. The zero-sum vibe is both real and off-putting.
I currently have a ratio surplus of 34 GB, and it started me with 25 GB. The benefit is if I really want something, it’s easy to access
I seed 5tb per month, the limit of my seedbox. All on public trackers since if they were private torrents, the seedbox would just sit idle.
Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!
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Can literally have the spores shipped to your door for shockingly cheap so long as you press the “I pwomise not to do what the link you have here says cuz that leads to mushies” box
Welp, I guess that’s it for me, I’m not looking to have my hand held while I access information. I can decide for myself what is and is not acceptable on my feed. Maybe .world is just feeling the crunch and they need to thin out the numbers? It’s a shame either way.
But that’s why federation is great. If you don’t like how one instance handles stuff you can move to any other instance that suits you or even host your own.
You’re absolutely right. It is very nice having options again.
They just don’t have the money to pay the lawyers that you need if you want to host that kind of content without shutting the whole thing down to move it on occasion.
Same this explains why I haven’t seen any shrooms posts. If I wanted to be treated like a child I’d use Reddit
It’s not because they want to nanny you, it’s because they can’t afford the legal fees.
This is going to be a problem for any instance that gets big enough to be noticed by copyright holders or law enforcement. The legal issues will start to pile up.
That’s fair, didn’t consider that at the time
You can find the new community on sh.itjust.works
What’s the shrooms community?
Not sure how to properly post it for everyone, but Shrooms@sh.itjust.works or !Shrooms@sh.itjust.works
The second one, thanks.
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I’m getting just as much mileage out of this as I thought I would when I made it
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I don’t recall what movie, but it did really bad at the box office and of course they blamed piracy. Until somebody got a hold of the statistics and showed it was one of the least pirated movie releases ever.
Imma get downvoted for this, but for some reason I care even less than I did on Reddit, which I didn’t think was possible…
Anyway, do you honestly think that if piracy actually caused significant profit loss it would affect the billionaires or anyone else in the “investor class”?
Of course not. They’re going to use the ahem “loss” to justify lower wages.
I’m not saying don’t pirate. I’m just saying you don’t get to pretend like you’re just hurting the class that gets to decide where the loss gets shunted. That’s a wildly naïve view of how the world works. You can’t fuck over the billionaires that way. They have too much power to let you.
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Or they’ll start injecting ads directly into the media.
Oh wait, they’re already doing this. I forgot about the 45 minute Chevy ad in Barbie.
Yeah, because pirates never steal from indie developers and act like assholes if those developers ask not to do it. Those damn parasites asking to be paid for work, gee.
Oh yeah cause there are as many people who pirate 20$ well developed games as there are people who pirate a ≥60$ triple A game that has about the same quality as the shits i take
Okay, lets see some critically aclaimed indie game(undertale), as indie game undoubtly deserving to be bought, and compare it to AAA game series released the same year which deserves to be pirated, according to community. I will use call of duty because its the type of game series i see often said to be the reason to pirate by thiefs: AAA, high price, every year title, shitty studio.
I use very popular local torrent website, as i dont want to search what is the current most used worldwide website for it, and if it tracks number of downloads.
Undertale(2015)-51k downloads.
CoD black ops 3(2015)-54k downloads.
So now answer me, why? Is undertale the same quality shit as call of duty? Or is it even worse considering that it is way less popular, so in corelation of pirated copes divided by copies bought, more people prefered to buy CoD?
Because CoD Black Ops requires internet in order to access most of the content, such as multiplayer. Undertale does not. You got any other, more relevant examples?
Okay, fallout 4-45k.
64k if you count the second torrent on the list separatelly (undertale would be 67k in that case).
Because most people play cod for the multiplayer wich wouldn’t work on a pirated version.
Undertale is a single player game wich doesn’t lose features because you pirated it.
Another answered the same, so i got an example of fallout 4 with 45k downloads
There are following possiblities one would need to account for:
• you said you’re using a popular local torrent site, depending on where you live interest for fallout and undertale may vary strongly. (Maybe undertale is way more popular than fallout where you live. Or vice versa)
• There is also the possibility of outliers. Be it for that particular site or all sites worldwide.
• Also the sample size is pretty small with 2 games, for an accurate statistic one would need to increase sample size. Better yet use multiple different sample sizes (i.e. one where AAA and indie games are the same popularity, one where AAA is less popular etc.)
• And at last you also could’ve just lied as i have not received proof that these numbers are real.
Now im not saying that the possibilities are the case, just that it may be.
If you want you can do a research accounting for these possibilities (and maybe even more) but i think this would be a bit much for a comment section under a meme.
I would’ve linked website if it wouldnt get me banned. Idk, maybe i can link it in pm, not sure if there are rules against it.
Regarding outliers/variation/sample:are you saying that if i would do the same experiment i wouldnt see the same picture for other critically aclamed titles (idk, celeste, StS, etc.)?
Its just funny that pirates keep saying that they steal games to stick out to greedy companies and to punish them for making bad games. Yet when you point out that they steal good indie games just as much (or even more if you take into account overall sales of those games) all you get is insults.
Is there an official blocked communities list and defederated list for each instance? Also can you have the same username on a different instance? I fear we are going to lose people who don’t really care that much about the federation stuff and just want to use Lemmy like reddit. Although I guess reddit is similar in that they decide what communities are allowed as well…
Yes you can have the same username on different instances, similar to how email addresses work
Don’t think there’s an easy way to see blocked communities, but it’s easy to see blocked instances with the instances link at the bottom of the page
Yes, “Instances” at the very bottom of the pages
Ia there a list somewhere of insurances that do NOT blck piracy?
Also just a quick yes or no question: does lemmy.ml block piracy?
I guess the only instance guaranteed to not block piracy is the one at which the community itself is hosted
Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.
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