I’m going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I’m on iOS, and I don’t know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU’s DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I’ve discovered so many great apps and tools I didn’t even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it’s still not perfect, I’ve been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I’m still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I’m using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can’t have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I’m so far loving Lemmy ;)

  • RVMWSN@lemmy.ml
    174·
    3 years ago

    I don’t think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device

  • airikr@lemmy.ml
    10·
    3 years ago

    I download the music from YouTube (through front-end services like Piped) and play it locally through a music player.

    I don’t know how it works on iPhone (I have an Android phone), but I can use NewPipe and LibreTube and Seal to download the music. If I’m on the go that is. Otherwise I download the music through ytdlp and transfer the files to my smartphone.

    Apple really restrict their users to their own ecosystem.

  • Nikls94@lemmy.world
    10·
    3 years ago

    You could get Spotify and switch it to private.

    I don’t really care about other knowing what music I listen to and even use the “AI" to give me songs that I might like. Most of them are not my type but there is 1 or maybe 2 every week that are good that I’d‘ve never searched for.

  • MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world
    10·
    3 years ago

    Self-host your library? I don’t know why that seems so hard, going by your phrasing.

    If you absolutely must listen to music online (I empathise, I need to do so to find new music), here’s what I do: Librewolf with Ublock Origin, Cookie Manager, Dark Reader, NoScript + music.youtube.com.

    No advertisements, minimal tracking (because you will explicitly disable every other script than the one(s) required to stream music). Use a VPN and fake your user-agent/browser fingerprint for more privacy (haven’t done it since I can’t figure out how to do so for Firefox).

    Cheers

  • StewartGilligan@lemmy.world
    101·
    3 years ago

    If you want something on Android, check out ViMusic. It uses YouTube Music as a back-end and can recommend stuff based on what you listen. It also supports offline playback. On desktop, you can use Hyperpipe. It also uses YouTube Music as its back-end.

    If you want ultimate privacy, then download your favorite songs and use VLC or self host them and stream it from there.

    • Postis2@lemmy.world
      11·
      3 years ago

      Vimusic is not getting updates anymore innertune is a vimusic fork that i think is better

  • utopia_dig@lemmy.ml
    7·
    3 years ago

    I’m using Qobuz. Since it is a rather small service, I just hope it is more private than the “big players” like Spotify/Apple Music. But the main benefits of Qobuz are the audio quality and the (afaik) highest payment per streamed song for artists.

    • N-E-N@lemmy.ca
      71·
      3 years ago

      Yea of all the things to keep private, my music listening habits isn’t one of them. Tbh the algorithms give me good recommendations

      • floofloof@lemmy.caEnglish
        5·
        3 years ago

        The companies that aggregate data and find patterns in them can probably predict a lot about you from your music listening habits, when they correlate it with data about other people, or even about yourself. The power of profiling isn’t in any specific data but in the patterns that emerge when you gather a lot of diverse data about a lot of people.

        Listening habits will tell them about your routine, including where you are, when, and when you have time to listen to music (so, therefore, when you don’t). If you don’t ever listen to music between 8pm and 10pm, for example, it may indicate that you have children to put to bed. If you listen mostly between 12am and 5am it may indicate that you work a nightshift. If you listen between 8 and 9 and again between 5 and 6, you’re probably a commuter. When you listen on a computer and when on mobile will tell them something too. And these are only the obvious patterns that I can think of off the top of my head. AI systems running on big data are designed to find patterns humans don’t notice.

        And of course the styles of music you listen to will be readily correlated with demographic profiles. When you feed data into AI systems designed to find patterns people can’t spot, you’ll find the most unlikely data reveals things about people that they’d never imagine you could know.

        Given this, it’s entirely possible that your music listening telemetry could eventually influence your credit score, your insurance premiums, your qualification for security clearances or your employability. You don’t know where the data ends up, or with what other data it’s correlated. This is why it’s desirable in general to keep data private if it’s not needed to provide the service.

      • nomadjoanne@lemmy.world
        5·
        3 years ago

        Some people have hundreds of gigabytes of perfectly legally obtained music.

        They don’t want all of this on their phone. Also you can have your movies and shows on Jellyfin.