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I ain’t a super Linux user, but I find it crazy that so many governments aren’t scared to put their data in the hands of US corporations like Microsoft of Apple.
I work for the state in Geneva, Switzerland, and my employers gives me an iPhone and forces me to use Windows at work.
I know that developing your own Linux distribution or any other solution is difficult but my country is even using a foreign cloud service instead of a swiss one😨
People are so shortsighted about this. Spend billions on Microsoft products to prevent spending millions on a safe solution that will never be suddenly deprecated.
you’re ignoring the very large elephant in the room known as “maintenance”. r&d is only the first hurdle.
This way you outsource the fault.
The article says this will be “based on Ubuntu” but it will probably actually just be Ubuntu with custom defaults, pre-installed software, and maybe repositories.
This just makes sense in my view. The cost relative to the number of machines they must deploy will be miniscule. If they do not mess with the core system too much, they can outsource almost all the admin and expertise to Canonical in terms of security and packaging. People saying this will blow up. Why? It does not sound like they are really creating a full distro from scratch. Is Ubuntu not viable?
In terms of why crating a custom version instead of just using actual Ubuntu. Again, the cost of customizing a distro can be dramatically less than making even simple configurations on every system after the fact. They can standardize what the desktop will look like and set key defaults. They can choose what applications are installed by default. They can remove applications from the repository that they do not want to be installed. The can ensure that localization is done well, etc.
I remember when Ubuntu was just Debian with custom defaults, pre-installed software, and their own repositories. Basically what every new distro is in the beginning.
And yeah creating dpkg packages isn’t really all that difficult. Don’t know why people are saying this will be a disaster. There’s a lot of technically proficient people in India that could handle doing QA, and putting a dpkg on a server that gets automatically picked up by all the various systems that need it. Hell, they could develop their own applications and package them up and distribute them around much easier on a Linux system than a Windows system.
As an Indian… You mean we can outsource stuff to others? :D
LOL
This won’t end well…
Not because of Linux or Windows, but because India’s government is one of the most corrupt in the world, and everyone is just going to get bribed into saying “this is great” and it’ll get implemented without any flaws being addressed
India’s space program is doing more than fine.
Not really…
They use the same propaganda tactics as Russia. No matter what the result is or what they said before any mission starts, they declare everything means they succeded and that their now a world super power.
Exactly.
Thanks for the example!
They didn’t accomplish their main goals or any research they said they’d do. But because it continued to orbit for longer than the mission (that failed) would have taken… They celebrate as a success and “proof” that theyre a world power.
I really don’t think you meant to, but this is exactly what I was talking about.
TFA says India was the first nation to achieve Mars orbit on the first attempt. Standing on the shoulders of giants, and all, but still… that’s surely an exceptional feat?
Is it better to set the bar high and fail to achieve every goal, or set the bar low and achieve less, but be able to claim 100% success?
I dunno, man… I kinda feel like putting something in Mars orbit on your first try deserves some respect and recognition.
TFA says India was the first nation to achieve Mars orbit on the first attempt
It’s not a question of if anyone could tho, it’s a question of why would anyone waste all that money for basically just PR…
To my knowledge no one has taken money from their starving citizens so they can light a billion dollars on fire. I still wouldn’t be impressed if someone did it, even if they get to tell “first!” after it.
I kinda feel like putting something in Mars orbit on your first try deserves some respect and recognition.
Again, just because no one has done something yet, doesn’t mean no one else could. They just choose to spend their money on something other than PR.
why would anyone waste all that money for basically just PR…
It’s not just PR. Developing the engineering capability to reach Mars is a goal of its own. There are not many nations that can achieve that.
Not too dissimilar to Elon Musk really.
We have the same kind of rot, it’s just that corporate layer somehow makes us think it’s not the same as the corrupt bullshit in other countries. But it’s not all that different.
Elon represents Elon, and he likes to hear himself talk. A government that represents a billion people should act a little differently than someone like him.
This has little to do with government officials. Though very less information is available, I believe the military will use its own personnel or private contractors.
Oh yeah, far right authoritarian governments have nothing to do with their militaries…
Someone is really getting the fucks for basically parroting the usual narrative of the deep states lol.
“home grown” Ubuntu spin, got it
‘home-grown’
Well, it was the headline in a National newspaper and I just quoted it.
‘home-grown’ like that Miley Cyrus distro.
Very cool! Always good to see more countries get closer to embracing FOSS. Really helps with the collaborative benefits that FOSS can have, plus allows for organizations to have more control in their digital destinies instead of simply being customers.
Hope the best for the project!
Finally something done right by India (just my rough impression, I remember them like banning VLC and then encrypted apps, idk exactly what they do.)
Another fríggin’ Ubuntu distro. Can’t somebody just commit to Debian instead… please?
Meanwhile, in NixOS land:
This is 100% a nationalism thing. They want to be able to say we make our own operating system. That’s it. It’s going to be a disaster when they inevitably fuck up because they are doing g it for the wrong reasons.
How is controlling the package repo for your gov a bad thing?
Because they aren’t doing it to control the package repo, they are doing it to score nationalism points.
Guess what, nationalism and security go together for all the right reasons.
Hopefully they pull it off for real and it will not get bogged down by bureaucracy and red tapes.
Fingers crossed!
My main concern is support and delay b/w security patches the OS will introduce. I’m making a wild guess, but I think they should have lot older hardware devices and from performance pov, they should benefit given latest Windows are not that great on older devices and older win versions have already reached EOL.
If they do get it right, they probably need to retrain their staff to be able to use other apps like Libre Office and more.
Interesting because to airlines, using a Linux-based RTOS is a major security issue to the point where most airlines use homegrown RTOS solutions. But this isn’t the first national government switching to Linux for operations I’d argue are equally if not much more sensitive.
I did not know linux-based RTOS is a security issue for airlines, do tell me why. And ofcourse it will take a toll on the military to maintain the OS. As before this I assume they used enterprise version of windows, so the burden was share between microsoft and the military.
This video from the linux foundation mentions some of the supposed concerns for Linux in aerospace: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skaj70Qo3FA&t=1228s&pp=ygUbZGViYXRpbmcgbGludXggaW4gYWVyb3NwYWNl
Haven’t there been issues with other governments maintaining their own distribution? Why not just maintain a repo thats added with a script or something.
Apologies - my memory doesn’t always serve me well. But didn’t Micro$oft bring a copyright lawsuit against a Linux distro… was it Canonical?
Great idea, I’m gonna replace my firewall with OS/2
I don’t get the comparison between Linux and an old OS.
