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    Musk is doing more to make people realize how garbage capitalism is than Marx ever could.

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    I want to thank Facebook for making it blatantly obvious to us that we should never get any brain implants. They’ll definitely use them to read your thoughts and push ads straight into your consciousness. Oh, and you’ll probably have to pay a subscription.

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    I’m not putting anything in me that’s not foss. I worry for the tech illiterate though when they eventually adopt this idea.

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      I agree, I love the idea of a brain chip, but not if someone can change licensing terms on something that’s INSTALLED in me.

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      Dude, look at the current support for audio drivers. Do you really want to deal with that for your ears?

      Just kidding I don’t know anything about audio drivers 😂

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    Neuralink is an excellent advancement for brain science and it is greatly going to help disabled people and those with little function left over their bodies. It’s okay to celebrate this technology while also hating musk.

    Like SpaceX, they’ve both been excellent ventures that he so far hasn’t ruined (probably thanks to the people he delegates to). Just because it’s fashionable to hate him for how he’s absolutely fucked over Twitter (which i’ll remind everyone we’ve always hated and agreed is bad, use Mastodon instead) doesn’t mean his other companies largely spearheaded by others, and their results, are also bad.

    That’s not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn’t anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of. What everyones fearmongering over is still just science fiction. It’s just barely able to interpret brain signals, it’s not as powerful as everyone makes it out to be.

    2nd edit: forgot what instance I’m on, this comment probably ain’t going to do well lol

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      The big issue I have with brain chips is longevity. How long until the electrodes degrade? When will the chips fail? Once they fail, will it be fail safe or fail deadly? Also, what will be the power source? Will it use inductive power, or battery power? They are both awful options. What if the chip overheats? The implementation is the real question here, but neuralink refuse to give any answers because it proprietary.

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        All very good questions. The only one I think I can answer is that I think it was inductively charged but I forget what the pigs had on them. It may have been an external battery pack. The implant itself is definitely not external accessible.

        We could probably look at existing BMI devices to get our answer, I’m sure it’s even less pretty.

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      I kind of agree. While I think they are not that bad as far as advancements go, most of it is shitstained by Musk, who has to be seen at all cost and have to be seen as the ultimate inventor of everything.

      He wants to be seen, stay relevant, and be the boss of everything, that he usually makes dumb decisions, which is a stain on a company mostly relying on a foundation of very intelligent people.

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        I agree with your assessment except saying that SpaceX’s advancements are “not that bad” is a massive understatement. They’ve completely disrupted and forever changed the space launch industry, with the help of government subsidies.

        Everyone also forgets how Starlink is serving remote indigenous communities and scared the pants off shitty dominant ISPs that have been screwing rural communities over since forever.

        I’ll re-emphasize my point that I think the results of some large companies, which comprises the efforts of many many smart people, can have facets of it be considered overwhelmingly good.

        Edit: some more words

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          Whenever I hear someone unironically use the term “disrupted” I just know I’m going to be hearing some capitalist parasite being glorified for doing something expensive that a government did much cheaper half a century ago.

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            Space launches were “much cheaper” a half a century ago? You don’t really follow any space news whatsoever do you? That’s patently false.

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              No, the entire space exploration attempt was much cheaper half a century ago - neither the US nor Soviet space programs wasted labor or resources enriching billionaire parasites. There is absolutely nothing that can be performed by parasites such as Musk or Bezos that cannot be done far better, more efficiently and more effectively through public means.

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                Can you provide a source showing space exploration was “much cheaper” half a century ago than SpaceX’s current costs to getting payloads into orbit? It sounds like you’re just assuming it would be cheaper from your idealogical leanings than that actually being the case.

                A half a century ago the US and USSR were devoting a significant fraction of their entre GDP in the space race to blast people into space on some of the largest rockets ever built, mostly for national security and military concerns And that’s not even to speak of the “safety standards” they had and ignored in order to win.

                The later shuttle program itself was a massive MASSIVE expenditure and no one in their right mind would EVER say it was an efficient and cheaper per kg in LEO.

                You’re just straight up wrong.

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                  Yeah, hold on… let me compare the costs of enriching a billionaire parasite piggybacking off publicly-funded programs that developed all the technology said billionaire parasite is piggybacking off with said publicly-funded programs.

                  No, Clyde, it was cheaper - because we actually got results other than merely enriching a billionaire parasite.

                  Your brain has been so addled with “free market” fairy tales that you might just as well believe a glass slipper will magically turn you into royalty. There is absolutely nothing parasites like Musk can do that we couldn’t do far, far better, much more efficiently and far cheaper through public means - and that’s it.

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      That’s not even to mention that the kind of dystopian technology people are imagining isn’t anywhere close to what the Neuralink device is actually capable of.

      Yet. They’ll get to work on that just as soon as they can, don’t you worry!

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    There comes the time you have to root your own brain and install CyanogenMod 23.0 “BrainIac” on it, maybe “TorView” and “OpenMath” too. I recommend “FreeTaste 2.0” as an addon.

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        Not your brain but rather a tiny little chip inside your brain, still would be a rather difficult task (that’s an understatement) to unbrick or replace it though. Unless they put a debug Port accessible from the outside you would need surgery if you needed to JTAG to unbrick it (probably would need it anyway since if they go this route they probably won’t let you access the pins you need to from the outside).

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      FreeTaste 2.0

      Imagine someone infecting a user’s implant with a script that makes everything you eat/drink taste like leftover Jägermeister in a cup from a week ago

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      CyanogenMod

      That would be LineageOS now. but yes, definitely root the hell out of your brain implant!

      Edit: spelling.

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    On one hand I’m excited for what the tech can do for medical purposes and future applications… On the other hand I’m terrified on what governments and corporations have in mind for it, cause I guarantee it will not be good

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      Looking forward to the eventual open source/Linux version of this lol.

      My brain runs Arch BTW

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        I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as brain, is in fact, GNU/brain, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus brain. Brain is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many humans with the Neurolink chip run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “brain”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really are brains, and these people are using them, but it is just a part of the system they use. Brain is the kernel: the organ in the system that allocates the body’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Brain is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with brain added, or GNU/brain. All the so-called “brain” distributions are really distributions of GNU/brain.

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    A long time ago I read some cyberpunk novel, and one of the characters had an ocular implant that got infected with malware that flashed spam ads for Indian brothels in his vision 24/7, even with his eyes closed, until he went completely postal.

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      They touched on this concept in the black mirror episode “Fifteen Million Merits”. Very minor spoilers, read on if you dare

      Not with a brain implant per se. But had to pay merits or else watch porn ads. And if you don’t have any merits, guess what they’re unskippable.

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    You mean the FDA approved of lobotomizing a select few of desperate people to satiate the narcissistic impulses of its founder. Anyone else wanna take a ride in this plastic submarine???

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      Uh, it’s a “submersible” and it’s not plastic, it’s throwaway expired carbon fiber from Boeing…

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    I think of this as being straight up horrifying. This isn’t exciting, this is going to be dystopian nightmare fuel. It’s not hard to imagine this being imbedded into human beings against their will too, like prisoners in the US.

    I would rather be a Borg, at least they were motivated by a collective good will to move to perfection, not puppets of a dying capitalist state and it’s related ideology.

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      Gotta start somewhere! For all we know the Borg began as a simple neural implant developed by Space Coca Cola, marketed as a way to touclessly interface with vending machines, but with the actual designed purpose to make you thirsty af and constantly crave sugary beverages.

      And then the Coca Cola logistical AI gained sentience.

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        Another idea is that somebody found an exploit in the software and figured out how to use it for much more then interfacing with vending machines. So in essence the Borg is one giant botnet accept instead of ddosing or doing database leaching they assimilate people and make them part of the botnet.

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    Remember that episode in Futurama where they got personalized ads fed to their brains while they slept?.. 😔

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      Isn’t there a black mirror episode about someone experiencing a terrible fate because of a malfunctioning brain implant that just got FDA approval?

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        in the episode black museum

        !one of the stories is about a doctor that had a brain implant that was paired to a hat type thing that was put on patients and he could feel everything they felt for a faster diagnosis, then he started abusing it, first for sex, then he realized pain felt even better, then one day he put the device on someone as they died and reached the ultimate orgasm and got addicted to that and became a serial killer!<

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      Remember that episode where they trained a chat bot off a dead loved one? Then it evolved to a cloned voice, then a realistic robot body? Well we’re one step off from that