What I don’t understand is how these e cigarettes are accessible to youngsters compared to disallowing cigarettes.

I live in the UK, and I see young teens and people my age in 20s smoking these metal pipe cigarettes, isn’t it just tobacco in liquid form? Shouldn’t this be tightly controlled like regular cigarettes?

How the hell is this drug popular and marketable??

  • @i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca
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    179 months ago

    I think that technically the vape solution is nicotine, but not tobacco. They’re “better” in that they don’t have all the side products you get from burning leaves, but it’s still nicotine and there’s now the new mix of vape chemicals that weren’t present in cigarettes. Healthier? Doubtful, but it’s less studied.

    As far as teens getting their hands on them, I think this just shows how hilariously ineffective age restrictions are in preventing access to children. If vapes weren’t available, those kids would be smoking cigarettes. If cigarettes weren’t available, they would vape. If both are available (which they are, because there’s no shortage of adults who will sell these things to minors), they’ll use whatever they prefer.

    Vaping is winning the popularity war with cigarettes among teenagers. I think that’s all you’re seeing.

    In Canada, it’s very illegal to sell cigarettes and vaping products to minors, but it’s not illegal for them to possess or use them. That kind of brain dead gap in legislation makes it easy for politicians to say they did everything they can, and lets police say there’s nothing they can do.

    • funkajunk
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      99 months ago

      Any doctor will tell you that breathing anything other than air is harmful. Vaping is far and away less harmful than cigarettes, and when used for their intended purpose (smoking cessation), they are absolutely the “healthier” option.

    • @Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      19 months ago

      Kids vaping is often a mental health problem, not a criminal problem. Nicotine is used by people with untreated mental illness to self medicate, and as long as you have kids without adequate access to mental health care you’re going to have kids vaping. From what I can find something like 1/3rd of people who need mental health services in Canada haven’t got the care they needed in the past year. That’s a lot of kids.

      Criminalizing selling but not possession is a very basic way of preventing the criminalization of addiction. Throwing a kid with untreated or badly controlled ADHD into juvie, or fining them, or whatever punishment you’re imagining here, is basically the worst way to deal with addiction.

      Because I’m sure someone will misconstrue this as me saying it’s okay for kids to vape: it’s not, that’s why they need mental health services, even if it’s ‘only’ for addiction. Criminalizing them doesn’t help them.

      • psychOdelic
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        39 months ago

        no teen i know vapes because of their mental health. right now, Here in germany, every teen I know smokes and occasionally (when having the money) vapes.Its the standard.

        • @Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          49 months ago

          You aren’t in their heads and you have no idea why they’re vaping. If every teen in Germany smokes (doubtful), proportionally teens who have a mental illness will smoke more and be more likely to become addicted, not only because they’re smoking more but because of the brain chemistry at work leading them to smoke to begin with. Self medication isn’t an exaggeration, nicotine acts similarly to MAOIs. It’s a shitty medication substitute.

          • psychOdelic
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            29 months ago

            I’m a teen myself and so I hang around a lot of them, in my groups everyone smokes usually they started because of their friends and so on. its literally the standard in my field of people, and yes that’s a field with a lot more mentally ill people compared to other groups. So I guess you are sort of right.