I regret nothing. Say what you want.

Edit: I just saw the two typos. If you find them, you’re welcome to keep them.

  • @Takumidesh@lemmy.world
    15•3 months ago

    Vim and emacs are text editors.

    Vs code is a code editor (but really it’s also just a text editor)

    Maybe they mean IDEs like visual studio?

    I’ve never really heard it called a coding GUI before.

    • @barsoap@lemm.ee
      3•3 months ago

      So an IDE is a code editor that ships with an LSP server, not just an LSP interface? (Doesn’t have to be LSP as such but “stuff that an LSP server does”).

      • @Takumidesh@lemmy.world
        4•3 months ago

        I would say that an IDE is something that includes build/run tools integrated into it. Everything else is just a text editor. (But that’s just my opinion of course)

        To expand on my point, I don’t think it makes sense to call vs code an integrated development environment if it doesn’t actually have the environment integrated.

        Visual studio and idea would be examples of IDEs, they actually have all of the tools and frameworks needed to run the languages they were built for out of the box.

        You can’t run node or python out of the box with just vs code for example, without their respective tooling, all vscode can do is edit the code and editing code is not functionally different from editing any other text.

        So I maintain that both vim and vscode are text editors and not IDEs

        • @barsoap@lemm.ee
          1•3 months ago

          I’d say build and run tools are pretty integrated into vim. Type :mak and there you go, it’s not like vs studio would be a single process either.

      • The Ramen Dutchman
        1•3 months ago

        For me a web app IDE includes a DB manger, HTML previewer, etc.

        A text editor edits text, an IDE is an Environment that Integrates Development tools.

      • bitwolfEnglish
        2•3 months ago

        My understanding has always been:

        • Text Editor: just writes text, no formatting (other than line endings)

        • Code Editor: A family Text Editors that have additional capabilities such as syntax highlighting. And optionally a plugin or extension ecosystem. (VSCode, vim family, Emacs, even gedit )

        • IDE: An application that includes Code Editor functionality, but also includes tools for a building on given tech stack. This comes out of the box, are a “part of” the application, are peers to the code editor, and cannot be removed, but can optionally be extended through plugins or extensions.

    • @d00ery@lemmy.world
      1•3 months ago

      Vim and emacs usually run in the terminal and require keyboard commands to complete actions.

      A GUI IDE like vscode or pycharm has mouse driven menus and buttons, although of course it’s possible to use keyboard commands.

      That to me is the difference. Personally, I use vim mod with pycharm and some messy hybrid combination of vim commands and ctrl + ?

      • @Takumidesh@lemmy.world
        2•3 months ago

        Vs code has no integrated environment though, it’s just a text editor that supports plugins, you still need to install python or node or .net or Java or gcc, etc.

        As far as vim requiring keyboard commands, that’s really only the case if you leave mouse mode off

        set mouse=a

        And of course, to muddy the water further, we have tools like https://helix-editor.com/ which, more closely approximate vs code, while happening to live in a terminal.

        I maintain that in order to qualify as an IDE and not a glorified text editor, you must be able to, out of the box, without external dependencies, run and build the code it was built for (idea/visual studio) otherwise it’s not very integrated, and I don’t think you need to have nice graphics for that qualification.

        • @d00ery@lemmy.world
          1•3 months ago

          Interesting, I didn’t know that about VSCode.I’ve used it briefly and I must have always installed some default plugins to make it work with python!

          The only query I’d have on that definition of IDE is that they all require an external compiler or JIT interpreter to execute code, because the versions of the compilers changes so frequently it’d be crazy to release an ‘all included’ IDE. (The old MS Visual Basic is an example of ‘all included’)

          But yeah, pycharm or phpstorm are “ready to run” bar the code compiler or interpreter, I don’t have to open a terminal or something to run code I’ve written.

        • @null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1•3 months ago

          Guy this is just semantics.

          If you want to uphold a specific definition of what constitutes an IDE that’s fine, but what does it matter if others consider plugins to be integration.

      • @Shareni@programming.dev
        1•3 months ago

        Vim and emacs usually run in the terminal and require keyboard commands to complete actions.

        It is most certainly not usual to run Emacs in the terminal.

        although of course it’s possible to use keyboard commands.

        And you can use Emacs with a mouse.

  • vfscanf()
    9•3 months ago

    Gedit was my main text editor for years. I also used it for work. It has all the basic features that you need for coding. For everything else I use the terminal.

    • @veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world
      2•3 months ago

      This is such a waste of time to the point where it infuriates me. I know the standard answer is “why not?”, but it’s just cringe to, like you are trying too hard to purposely be stupid, whereas with standard text editor you can say already they cba’ed to install anything so it was a case of initial setup vs. long term productivity.

  • @hperrin@lemmy.caEnglish
    11•3 months ago

    I write all my code on paper and use OCR to convert it. It almost works sometimes.

  • @TinyRhino@lemm.ee
    22•3 months ago

    If you’re not writing it all down on paper and then punching holes in cards, you’re doing it all wrong

  • unalivejoyEnglish
    11•3 months ago

    text editor application that came with Ubuntu

    nano

    shivers

  • @killeronthecorner@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8•3 months ago

    I coded several of my early mobile app releases entirely in gedit. Good times.

    I sometimes forget how good we have it now. I wrote those apps around 2012 and the DX for the platforms was basically non-existent. Virtually every platform had shit documentation, shit version management, a shit IDE with minimal refactoring features, a shitty debugging experience, and everything felt like it was being botched together by 3 guys in their spare time.

    It’s incredible now that we have things like hot reloading. You can literally save a change and BAM it’s on the screen seconds later. On native platforms no less. Astounding.

  • @Adalast@lemmy.world
    10•3 months ago

    I used Notepad++ for virtually all coding I did (Python, JS, various Markup Languages, Action Script back in the day, etc) for a couple decades. The only reason I use VSCode now is because I inherited a nightmare of a legacy spaghetti bowl and needed the function tracing to attempt to figure out anything. I still prefer N++ for most small projects.

  • @Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de
    12•3 months ago

    And then there is a colleague who programs in Notepad++ directly on the test server and then just copies his code to prod.

    (yes, he works alone on that project)

  • @chad@sh.itjust.works
    7•3 months ago

    Learned C++ by using gedit on the Sun machines in my college’s computer lab in 2007. They were decommissioned shortly after I graduated.