- cross-posted to:
- rust@programming.dev
- cross-posted to:
- rust@programming.dev
Today i was doing the daily ritual of looking at distrowatch. Todays reveiw section was about a termal called warp, it has built in AI for recomendations and correction for commands (like zhs and nushell). You can also as a chatbot for help. I think its a neat conscept however the security is what makes me a bit skittish. They say the dont collect data and you can check it aswell as opt out. But the idea of a terminal being read by an Ai makes me hesitant aswell as a account needed to use warp. What do you guys think?
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Warp lost me at the account requirement. You’re telling me I need to sign in to a terminal? Seriously? Like with an internet connection? Nope. What if I’m opening my terminal to configure my network? Warp seems to be fixing a problem that doesn’t exist. I don’t think anyone has looked at a terminal emulator and gone “Yeah, this could use AI and a cloud account”.
I would definitely like an AI to remember some complex commands for me. But something small and specifically trained that runs locally
I use
fuck, it’s not ai but gets the job done.You can define a bunch of aliases in any shell environment for that. Or use a history manager (a database client essentially) that groups commands you’ve entered so far based on frequency, return value, working dir. when they were issued etc.
fzf does the job
Yeah; & by the way, warp is funding fzf, as there’s a big thank you banner on fzf & fzf-vim’s github pages nowadays. I’m glad fzf is getting support, of course; though it feels odd somehow.
“Alright, now that I’m logged in to my cloud terminal account, let me enter my root password for sudo.”
I agree with this 100%!
Maybe if you can use it with a locally running LLM server like ollama, but otherwise fuck no
Big fat N-O
The terminal seems like the very last place I’d want A.I. I’m usually using it specifically to be precise and don’t just run commands I don’t understand. If you forget some long command, just use history |grep whatever and see what it was. (And then turn it into an alias or function.)
What the terminal needs is better discoverability. Maybe command recommendation if it isn’t going to hallucinate flags and paths that don’t exist. All this bullshit is just some company trying to capitalize on that desire.
Exactly. I generally like typing out my commands because I’m learning and it helps me remember what I’m doing and what the commands mean/how they work. And if it’s a particularly long one I’ll make an alias for it.
Absolutely not. And they can fuck right off with that whole needing an account to use a terminal thing.
So I took some time to look around and as far as my perspective as a non dev regular user. While this does seem like a useful tool that could be useful for someone who interacts with the command line on a infrequent basis, the drawbacks on it seem pretty big.
- Everywhere on their website seems clear that they don’t store your data, but I have trouble believing that? Why on earth they would need for you to create a account that you must log in to use the terminal if they don’t have a need to monitor your data?
- While they claim that they are intending to monetize this by charging enterprise users and letting small teams use it for free, they limit free requests to 20 per dday which seems less than useless.
- Maybe this is just some confusion since I don’t have any experience as an enterprise but it seems like it would be an unacceptable security risk having a program that it telling you that it sends telemetry back home that users are interacting with using sudo and elevated privileges. Especially when it is a closed box.
Ignoring all the reasons to be cautious and skeptical about AI in general I struggle to see the use case for this particular tool.
And now I am imagining some sophisticated hack that breaches their AI generator and starts slipping command arguments that might expose your system. Probably too much of an effort but still plausible.
I have zero interest in having AI in my terminal. And needing an account to even use warp is a non starter for me.
My thoughts are you can fuck the fuck off.
Totally agree. People using cli are probably more skilled and their knowledge has been fed into these ai models.
So we will all end up with some mediocre level of knowledge, because the next input for the LLM 's will be more of the some old stuff. Flattening the curve and less innovation and smart ideas.
These kind of “solutions” are for a non existing problem. Looking at the investors, this is only about making money.
Here’s my opinion. This terminal app is inefficient as fuck. I feel like it’s too much bloat for what a terminal should be. She’ll Completions have existed since forever, I don’t get what’s bringing new with that. And all these AI’s that just resell chatgpt are getting expensive. "Please pay me 10$ a month to have OpenAI in your " . If I were to activate all the AI subscriptions in all the apps I use it would go over 100$. If I need ChatGPT I will just go on their website and get it from there. It’s even cheaper that way, 20$ for unlimited use.
Kitty terminal with my zsh plugins are far better than asking me for an account on your terminal.
And also sharing info with your team THROUGH THE TERMINAL? WHAT KINDA SHIT IS THAT. That should be documentation in THE REPOSITORY, IN THE PROJECT. You’re just fragmenting information, and it’s going to make it harder for you to keep it up to date and for people to find it.
And… I don’t want to force on my team “hey you have to use this terminal otherwise you won’t have the info”. I feel like with this I would be encroaching on their personal space and way of using their computer.
And also like “workflows” just get yourself a makefile or a task file and now you can reuse your “workflows” in any terminal, shell or environment.
I feel like all these apps with OpenAI ask me to pay just so I don’t have to manually copy and paste to the ChatGPT website. Oh please…
Nice idea for fun and diversity (you can’t prohibit people to make such apps after all) but in daily usage? No, no, no and no
For me to even consider using AI in my terminal, it’d have to meet a couple of requirements:
- needs to be open source
- needs to be run without network access
- needs to be an extensible utility to any terminal program.
(And that’s off the top of my head.)
DO NOT WANT!
I’m neutral towards AI, what I can’t wrap my head around is forcing users to sign in / sign up to use offline apps. Fuck you too, Postman.
You can thank me later.
Thank you, I have tried Insomnia in the past but it doesn’t work for my team as they refuse to implement pre-request scripts properly. I assume insomnium is the same.
Wait, it’s Postman but better?
I love hopscotch(formerly postwoman) https://hoppscotch.io/ thank me later
AI that can auto generate all those command line arguments I keep forgetting? Sure.
Closed source terminal that requires account? No way.
And also, like… Data privacy… My terminal commands and command outputs contain sensitive data. Even company sensitive data. I don’t want to be liable.
I don’t know what AI could bring to the table in this case that you can’t do without it already. Command completions or fixing typos works without using AI. If there was an actual benefit, I’d be open to try it out but only by using an open source LLM running locally. I’m definitely not creating an account and paying a monthly subscription while not even being able to use it offline.
