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Most major subreddits show a decrease of between 50 and 90 percent in average daily posts and comments, when compared to a year ago. This suggests the problem is way fewer users, not the same number of users browsing less. The huge and universal dropoff also suggests that people left, either because of the changes or the protests, and they aren’t coming back.
I wanted to call bullshit
but they’re entirely right.* Comments per day took a nosedive. Now if only more hobby communities would lift off, I’d be able to abandon Reddit entirely. I’m up to my tits in Linux and privacy guides but I still know nothing of mushroom picking. Nothing!Edit: *some users pointed out that subredditstats is no longer capable of accurately tracking comment numbers. I was wrong.
!fungusid@mander.xyz needs some love… pick random mushrooms you find, say you’re thinking of eating it and wait for a lot of "NONOONOOOOOO"s in the comments. Next step is ???, then profit!
I’m up to my tits in Linux and privacy guides
omg I’m seriously loling rn 😆 there’s so much fucking linux on this site. ive been using linux for ~14 years (exclusively for 2), and i have no idea what most linux posts are going on about, nor do i know anyone with a linux pc in my real life. us on lemmy have somehow managed to find each other.
i give it a few months until i have my own instance, a pi hole (whatever tf that is), and completely blocked google from tracking me in any way.
I still love seeing them despite lying outside my interests. Seeing someone’s passion project or troubleshooting session from the outside is interesting, if only thanks to their enthusiasm inspiring novel approaches and clever workarounds.
yeah, it’s engaging and entertaining. i spent half an hour yesterday going through a thread where OP argued for the use of linux in business settings and the comments were reaming OP for his arguments. i was like, “jeez. dont make a mistake on this site. people will let you have it.” OP should wait a few weeks, make an alternate account, and argue for the use of Win over linux in business settings to get the other end covered. 😆
Pi hole is brilliant
whats pi hole
You set it up to be your local DNS server and it will support all devices on your network.
Pi-hole isn’t a complicated tech thing!
It’s just a raspberry pi with a piece of software that you attach to your router and set up block lists that…
Well shit, maybe it is.
I like a good project. Pi-Hole actually frustrated me with how easy and straightforward it was to set up. Maybe like- ten minutes total. You won’t regret it.
see‽ im already getting sucked in
And that’s exactly why lemmy needs to grow its userbase significantly before it can ever become mainstream.
grow sounded nice until you said mainstream.
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We have mycology and a few shrooms communities. Just browse my history for the exact links and some neeto grow pics.
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Personally, since it isn’t Reddit, yes.
The communities here are small, unfortunately. Once more people migrate over here, it has the potential to be much better. Without a doubt, the communities aren’t large enough to have a ton of accurate knowledge sharing.
Until then, we should just keep contributing! While I am likely a “top poster” on the shroom communities, I do have some good conversations in the comments. Many people are just lurking and that is totally cool!
I have actually learned a bit about growing here, but I’m infinitely more interested in foraging and identifying. It’s like geotagging, but edible.
Yeah, the myco communities are coming to life for sure.
You could always try some of the AI content:
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Because the most active contributing users left. I used to comment a lot on reddit, but I’ve been exclusively on Lemmy since my 3rd party app was axed.
And I’ve been very active here. Like, even on this alt account that I made 16 days ago, my app says my post “karma” is already higher than my reddit comment karma was from over a decade.
I feel more willing to contribute because there’s a sense of community, and I’m not just providing free entertainment for a company to profit off of.
I’ve commented more on lemmy in 3 months than the last 10 years on Reddit
Glad you’re here, nutbiggums!
Shit. I think it took me 5 years on reddit to comment once. Now I have alts! Alts!
I used to comment a lot on reddit
Same. I had a 15 year account with a couple hundred thousand karma and commented and posted a lot. If you piss off the people who actually use the site you will reap what you sow. Reddit should have known that since the exact scenario happened fir Digg when everyone migrated to reddit.
They looked at the leaves, and failed to see the forest, thinking that simply not killing old.reddit was enough to avoid Digg-ing the grave. Because from their view that’s how Digg died - v4 happened, users couldn’t go back, they got pissy, and they left.
@megane_kun@lemm.ee is also right when he says that they compared Reddit with other social media platforms and took the wrong conclusions. What keeps people in Facebook aren’t “content creators” or what have you, but their relatives and friends; in Reddit there’s no such thing, people weren’t there because of more people but because of the content that those people created, so their connection with the platform is considerably weaker.
I also think that the trust thermocline played a role. It wasn’t the first time that the platform pissed its own users.
Agreed on the reasons why FB stayed relatively strong despite its reputation going down the drain. What kept many people from leaving FB for good is actually network effects: that one’s friends and family, coworkers and colleagues, are more likely to be in FB than not in it. Huffman’s site? Not so much. I don’t care if someone I know IRL is in it, and I sure as hell wouldn’t want them to know I used it.
The platform formerly known as Twitter is a more apt comparison, to be honest, but it’s still way too early to tell if it has actually weathered the storm, or has become so rotten on the inside that it’d spectacularly fail in the near future.
Perhaps Twitter is a third can of worms, it’s neither about content (as Reddit) nor the users’ social circles (as FB), more like a few anchor people keeping the others there. Due to that Musk’s idea (to pay creators to stay there) might actually help.
I still think that it’ll fail due to other decisions Musk took, but less spectacularly than Reddit. Musk is at least trying to think by himself, Spez is simply following others.
I think Steve Huffman is only after the possible profits he’d make on the IPO. He doesn’t care if his reputation would be sullied amongst the proles like us, nor does he care if he’s being original and ground-breaking. He just cares about the money.
Will it work though? I want to bet on the possibility that his IPO will fail due to all the bad news about his site as of recent, but given that the world in general has been disappointing recently, I’ll just keep my money to myself, lol!
He is after the IPO money but Dunning-Kruger is the hell of a drug, Spez is simply not a good CEO and he doesn’t know how to maximise pre-IPO numbers. So odds are that he thought “who’s in the same situation as me? Ah, The Iron Man¹! He’s a cool guy, has lots of money and a platform like mine. I assume that he knows what he is doing², so I’ll ape what he did!”. Musk killed 3PAs and got rid of the people criticising his platform, so did Spez.
And killing 3PAs pre-IPO does actually have some merit. They created value³ for Reddit, but detracted from the immediate profit; but if you’re selling the company you don’t care about the value, you care about the immediate profit to show your potential buyers “see? This company is profitable, gib lotsa moni”. However odds are that things happened faster than Spez predicted, odds are that he assumed that the protests would last a bit and die, not that people would say “enough of this shit”. And now odds are that he lost that “magical” window of opportunity to maximise Reddit’s price to the potential new buyers.
- I cringed writing this.
- Spoilers: Musk does not know what he’s doing.
- By “value” here I mean the potential of a company to generate profit over time.
Hahahaha~ If it’s any consolation to you, I also cringed reading the part that made you cringe while writing it. More than enough cringe for all of us to share around!
Yeah, you actually said out loud what I was just thinking to myself when I wrote my previous reply. Not exactly what you wrote, but I was thinking that if it worked for others, it’s good enough for himself. Why think of a good idea when you can just copy others’? Something along those lines. However, copying ideas actually does take some work as well. It’s not enough to just copy what they did and apply it to your situation. You’ve also got to think about whether or not what you’re copying is a good fit for your circumstances.
About the third point though, the way I see it is that Huffman tried his best (the key word is ‘tried’) to increase the profitability of his site to entice potential buyers, which even though it’d detract from immediate profitability, would add to the money he’d cash out at the IPO in the end—or so he imagines. Agreed with how things didn’t happen according to how Steve anticipated them though. And in fairness to Huffman, other flareups have ended in a similar way. What he didn’t anticipate is how these changes (the API changes) will affect how a lot of people (and the ones that contribute a lot of content) would interact with his site. So, yeah!
It’s easy to argue why they thought it’s not going to happen to them. They saw Facebook shrug off all of its scandals, and thought that being in a similar position, network effects are going to help them weather any storm. And it can be argued that Steve Huffman and his site did weather this particular storm. But like Facebook, trust in Huffman’s site have taken a blow, and in the demographic that they would ill afford to antagonize.
That we’re starting to see its effects as early as now should scare any sane person in Huffman Inc.
I’m always happy to see a Teft post pop up in my feed.
I’ve been noticing your username a lot lately. Solid memes, thank you for your service🫡
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I’ve definitely seen you around a lot lately. 😁 Thanks for the joy and memes.
I was never famous on Reddit but I was a prolific commenter for six years. I gradually phased out from Reddit as I got into Lemmy until July, when I pledged not to comment or vote on Reddit ever again. I’ve since kept my word.
Thanks!
And yeah, I’ve checked reddit a few times for niche things, but it would just feel dirty to contribute there now.
how do you know how much karma you have in total?
For Lemmy?
Some apps add it up for you. One of the apps I use frequently is Voyager (on Android), and it shows it on the profile page.
For example, here’s yours: (I assume I can’t see 100% of the votes though, in case your instance is federated with any that mine’s not"
I wrote an extension for firefox that shows your collective karma so I was wondering if you were using it, this is cool as well
Oh that’s cool. I may have to check that out on desktop.
I’m going to update it to show youe comment/post karma separately when I get my computer fixed
Well definitely make a post when you do! I bet a lot of people would be interested in it.
I made a post, they hated it man 😭 I got like the same number of downvotes as upvotes
I never thought it would be so easy to stop going on Reddit, but this place is good enough
Totally agree. And I’m now using more of my time to relearn all the Spanish I’ve forgotten over the last 20 years and even improve beyond my previous level.
I also made the decision to try to use my social media/YouTube/web-browsing time on learning new things. When I’m in the mood for more mindless activities, I generally opt for watching videos where people bring positivity into the world in some way or another.
I pop on here once a day or every couple of days to fart around a very short while and then I’m back to doing my thing.
I occasionally end up on Reddit because a web search had results from there that were intriguing for whatever I was looking up. I never go in as a registered user anymore and those few times I do end up there, I’m in and out without going any farther than the thread that came up in the search results.
Thanks, Spez, for helping me take back my life!
good enough
IMO the users here are way more pleasant to spend time with than those on Reddit. The level of hostility in some areas of Reddit was off the charts and it seems the trolls are staying put. This definitely /mademesmile.
I really avoided unpleasant subreddits. There were many smaller subreddits that were genuinely fun to be in. I miss those communities here. One that comes to mind is r/gintama. That sub was a great source of joy for me. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find one here.
If you build it they will come…
Can you create your own?
There is a bit of a hiccup with hexbear and lemmygrad but besides that, I feel it’s a very welcoming place here
Yeah I’ve had some really good conversations here, I had a lot of great little friend groups on Reddit over the years but being here made me realise I haven’t had a really good chat with someone that I genuinely enjoy talking to on there for about five years. I’d honestly just assumed it was me but here I’ve had so many great conversations, I don’t know why but possibly it’s that the good interesting people aren’t drowned out and beaten down by a sea of hostility.
Agreed, and it seems to be evolving over time.
Good enough, that’s our motto.
We have a saying im German that encapsulates that notion: Ein gutes Pferd springt nur so hoch, wie es muss (A good horse only jumps as high as it has to.)
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We’re a pretty darn good minor league baseball team if you ask me
I was on reddit for 11 or 12 years. Commented several times a day. Voted 100 times or more per day. Left mid June and haven’t been back once. Now I do that shit here instead.
Turns out that Reddit is a lot easier to quit than most people claim or realize. I still end up there from web searches occasionally, because some communities just don’t exist in lemmy (also lemmy frankly sucks as a place for finding niche communities due to fragmentation and shitty search tools). But besides that, there’s nothing particularly compelling about reddit anymore.
I wonder where people are going though? They’re definitely not coming here unless they’re an adult male technology/linux nerd.
I’m a woman who has never used linux
Still post here. Gotta get those niche communities some use.
I know I’ve won when my fetish communities are here
Yes, fetish good.
I’m a bit lost there too.
I need my body swap, fat fur, and breast expansion instances
I’ll be the first to say that if they rolled back the changes I’d return in a heartbeat.
I miss reddit a lot, but I decided to leave if they went through with the API changes and I stand by that decision. But I definitely miss it and Tildes and Lemmy simply don’t replace it.
I’ll never return, regardless of what Reddit does, but I don’t blame you for your position.
I’d just say don’t give up yet, I think we have a pretty large chunk of people sitting on the sidelines temporarily, waiting to see if Lemmy actually becomes what it aspires to be.
Also I don’t mean to be rude, but it would be nice if Tildes users just came to Lemmy and helped us build here. I’m sure many Tildes users use Lemmy anyways. Tildes is just way too small (like 10% the size of Lemmy) and even if it did take off, it would probably turn out the same way as reddit. But that’s just like, my opinion, man.
Um excuse me we also have knitters .
I’m still looking to recreate the atmosphere of r/WitchesVsPatriarchy here on Lemmy. It’s what I miss most from Reddit.
The only reason I ever see reddit anymore is for archived info. It’s only a matter of time before that’s all here anyway
It’s only hard for me to keep up with sports discussion without reddit but whatever.
This is literally the only thing I miss about Reddit, hopefully the sports communities will shore up some more
I was a daily heavy user of Reddit. I was an Eternian and a Centurion. I haven’t spent an hour total on Reddit since July 1.
It helps that their app is absolute shit.
No, i don’t want to see whatever popular fluff is out there while I’m browsing the things I’m interested in, fuck off.
I only use Reddit for the nsfw stuff - it’s still the best platform - but every time I’m in between pictures on my account where I’m only subbed to porn and Reddit shoehorns posts of people asking for legal advice, students looking for university housing tips in a city 100 km from here, highly inspiring LinkedIn video from mademesmile or whatever pedestrian trash… man. Just let me wank.
What the hell is an eternian/centurion?
I think he’s saying he likes horses and centaurs. Not sure how that applies to using Reddit though.
I was being a tool. I was in Eternity Club which is s private sub for people who had hit the front page. I got there by luck. I was also a member of Century Club, a private sub for people who had either 100,000 comment karma or post karma. I got there with comment karma without karma whoring over 7 years. Neither of them means anything. Eternity was kind of cool but very slow. Century was fucking annoying.
Same here. The only time I’ve been on reddit since was for tech support.
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Yeah and no one wants to use their garbage app on mobile.
But, using reduced posting as an indicator of reduced active users presumes users have any say in what is promoted in a subreddit. And that’s obviously wrong. Reddit is compromised through and through. Worse than Digg ever was.
I fully agree with this because the events affected older and fairly active users (the ones most likely to be a mod, and to use a 3PA) way, way more than the rest, and yet they run the place. So if you got 50~70% of everyone leaving, you probably got [eyeballing] 90% of those leaving.
All the people on r/piracy there better jump ship before Reddit sells all their info to Big Brother
Too late. Thankfully the piracy Lemmy instance is fairly strong.
It was pretty obvious from looking at /r/all that upvotes and comments are way down. Posts from somewhat obscure subreddits are making it to the front page, something you never saw before. People may be reading, but they’re not participating as much as before.
Meal time videos is fucking dead. Is there any counterpart on fediverse?
Yup. Still, having someone to actually measure it is nice.
And based on the Reddark site, obscure subreddits were likely affected even harder, as plenty of them are still restricted or private (since Reddit doesn’t care about those).
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Yeah I went to subredditstats.com and checked out a few of the subreddits with a lot of subscribers. They all show a huge drop both in number of comments and number of posts per day. This is the first time I saw some hard evidence that people have moved away, and it’s a lot more than I thought.
Where did they go?
And that’s WITH the GPT bots
We did it Lemmy!
Fuck reddit. Bitches shoulda let me keep my Apollo.
All my homies hate Reddit.
I refuse to use the reddit app. Theres a lot of features missing that I require.
Making the font size adjustable requires hundreds of millions of dollars of investment! /s
I’m not surprised at the statistics. Redditors using third party apps were probably more likely to be hardcore users and contributors and not just consumers/lurkers. Taking away those apps without a suitable replacement was a totally braindead move, especially when your official app is inferior to almost every single third party app out there.
pretty sure blind people cant even use the official app, which pissed off the blind subreddit for some weird reason when 3rd party apps got nuked
And the volunteer community of content transcribers allied with the blind community, who’s goal was to ultimately draw attention to the issue to improve accessibility on the reddit app. Go figure.
